How to boost your lips. Skincare tips with Dr Esho Lip | Get The Gloss

Hi everyone, how are you doing? I hope you're all well this evening. Welcome to this Get the Glass Masterclass with the Lick Doctor himself, Dr Esho, and we'll be bringing him on really soon. Welcome. I am just spotlighting myself. Here we go. Hi, I'm Victoria Woodhall. I'm Editorial Director of Get the Glass. Welcome. I can see some familiar faces here. Masterclasses we've hosted before. If you're new, these are classes that we host almost every week. We're pausing for the summer now, but it's your chance to meet some of the top experts in the business, and tonight I'm delighted to welcome Dr Esho. You'll know him from Netflix, Body Fixers and BBC Morning Live, and his many clinics. I can see him there. Yeah, and he's on mute himself. Without further ado, I'm going to bring him in and then I'm going to tell you a little bit about how the next 45 minutes will run, because I can see him there. Here we go. Hi, how are you doing? I'm very good. How are you? I'm good, thank you. Thank you to everybody who's joined us this evening on this boiling hot day. I don't know about you, I've got my frozen hot water bottle here keeping me cool. Esho, you're in your clinic. Where are you? I am. I'm in our new flagship clinic in partnership with Flannels. We paired up with them about a year ago. They approached me to build a set of clinics within their new flagship stores, and this is the first one we've built in their nice seven-floor flagship in Liverpool, which is a Barry's Bootcamp in there as well. Barry's Shake as well. That's good. Well, brilliant. We're here to talk about everything to do with lips, and hopefully you will have all received your amazing goodie bag. I have to say thank you for such a generous goodie bag with every single one of your Dr. Esho lip products in, including the two new ones, which are so new. In fact, they're launching tomorrow that I don't even have them, but you have received them. Let me know. Put in the chat how you've been getting on with them. What are they? Esho, can you just explain? As you said, you guys got two of the new products that no one has got. They actually launch tomorrow on QVC before then Feel Unique, and then after that on ASOS. Actually, you've got it before everyone else. I think you even got it before me. I had the prototype parts, but you guys got the actual final parts before I was in clinic. In terms of the products themselves, Esho is a dedicated lip cosmeceutical line that is targeted. We're having each treatment as a lip treatment, rather than just a lip balm or lip serum. Each individual treatment is targeted to do a different thing for lips, but then they desire to be able to pick and play and layer together to customize for your own lip type. That's the beauty of this. I'm a cosmetic doctor, been for the last 10 years, and I've not seen actually lip products that have been targeted in that way. Skincare, yes, but not for lip products. I wanted a way where knowing every lip was different, that I could create different serums with different balms, and everybody could pick and play and create their own products for themselves. Brilliant. Zoe's saying, products look amazing. I'm looking forward to trying them out. I have thin looking lips, which get chapped and sore, especially in the winter. Brilliant. Keep putting your comments and questions in the chat. I will relay them as we go. There will be time for questions. There may be time for questions at the end. We're aiming to be here for about 45 minutes. If you miss any of it, we will send you the recording tomorrow. I know, Esho, you were saying that the way you develop your products is very much with people's feedback in mind. It's a community-generated, what do you call it, the lab? I call it the Esho social lab. The reason behind that is because my clinic, my brand, is very much a social first brand. You'll see me on social media, whether it's on TV or the media, or my Instagram platforms. I find that is the biggest source of creating anything, whether it's a show, whether it's a product. It's you, the consumers, or the patients that tell us really what they want. If we ignore that, then we're going to fail in terms of producing a good product. If we listen to you, then we do. Actually, the reason why I started or created Esho wasn't just because I love and I'm obsessed with lids. I am, but that was a big part. I had so many clients coming to me saying, one, there was always some part of a product that didn't quite suit them. Also, I had a number of people that were having treatments for lids that were scared to have injectables and wanted alternatives topically to try and cause or evoke different changes in the lid. I knew there was a place to build on the mark. Brilliant. Any comments you have tonight, please put them in the chat, because they are all really valuable in delivering products that we as consumers really need. Please do give us your feedback as we go and, of course, your questions. Nikki's saying, yes, the product's so good, I can see visible improvements in hydration and appearance of my lips already. That's great. You've probably only been using them like a week or so. It's really great to hear that we don't have to go under the needle to get a visible improvement. Definitely. Definitely. When you're approaching anything, it should be a holistic approach. That may include injectables sometimes. It may include energy-based machines like lasers, but also the improvements in topical skincare and the actives that are available. There's a big hunger for plant-derived, botanical-derived strength actives out there, and there are so many. We've not even tapped the surface of what we can do. When I decided to go into this market, it was exciting for me, because having my lab, having access to these, being able to pick and play like I do in my clinics, it was great to combine things and see what I could create. You were telling me earlier that before you entered the market, lip care was almost an afterthought. Nobody was really treating it like a separate bit of skin than it is. Now, we very much treat our scalp differently. We know it's skin, but not the same skin. We look after our eyes, but lips, people slap a bit of Vaseline on and you're done. Definitely. To me, it was so surprising in a market area, which shows so much growth, that we weren't targeting this the way we were with our skin. To be fair, initially with skin, if we think and we go back, most of the skincare products was a one-size-fits-all approach. Now, we've seen over the last years, more and more targeted, more and more niche products that do specific things to the skin. I think lips were falling behind that. It still wasn't that one-size-fits-all approach. There were some great products, don't get me wrong, but I think when you looked at a particular brand, if that product didn't suit you, that was the one option and that was it. It wasn't you could go to a brand and see a full lip cosmeceutical line and be able to pick already between six products there on the line so far. You're saying also that the lips are the thinnest skin underneath our eyes. Of course, they are the most vulnerable and perhaps need the most special attention. Definitely. Our lips don't have our own sebaceous glands, so it can't produce their own oils. It's about three layers thick compared to the skin, which is about 15. It's very delicate and it needs to be carefully treated, particularly on this type of extremes of weather, extreme heat or extreme cold, particularly in those. It really can change in there because we're increasing what we call epidermal water loss. When that happens, the area can become quite dry and desiccated. When we think about products that deliver into the area, you've got two main types. You've got thick balms or occlusives and you've got serums. Actually, if you look at many studies, which shows if you're just using pure occlusives, that can really dry out the lip because you're trapping the area. When you wipe and remove the area, you've not got hydration deep down to the deep layers of the lips itself. We're just using pure serums on their own. When the heat evaporates, that takes away moisture from the lips, so that can make it drier. Many people think, oh, when I'm using balms, I'm habitually using them, I'm constantly dry. It's actually when you use a combination between the two, so you're using a serum and an occlusive and you use it in layers, that you get the best balance of hydration in the lips. That's why I wanted to produce these products because then you could layer in that layering technique and get that particularly with the different actors that you have there too. An occlusive is something that would create a barrier to stop the water getting out of the lips and also stop things getting in. You're saying some occlusives- The problem is, what that does is a temporary fix because it sits on the surface, so it acts as a negative feedback. It tells you that it's unhydrated because it's protected on the top, but it's not getting into the deep layers. Once you wipe that off, it tends to be that people find when the occlusive is gone, they feel dry again. Yeah, that's true. People say that almost like when you overuse lip balm, why do my lips get drier? That's the reason. Sammy is just asking in the chat, why do lips get dry and flaky, especially now in the hot weather when you're drinking more than normal? Does drinking dry them out? Well, you'd be surprised, but actually she's quite right. It's not the act of drinking, the drinking hydrates itself, but having water on the surface, what tends to happen is then the warmth of the area of the mucosa evaporates that liquid, and that takes away heat. That's essentially what we do when we sweat. When we sweat, we produce liquid on the surface of our body to help regulate our temperature. Our heat on our surface evaporates that water, and it reduces and calms the area down. It does cool the area, but then we're losing waterproof and insensible water loss. We're needing a product that has, one, a serum that can go to the deeper layers, but then also another one that can act as an occlusive to cover the top and protect from juice. That's the perfect way of then maintaining an hydrated lip. Fascinating. Should we break down a lip care routine? Obviously, there are six products. We're not going to be putting six products on a day, are we? No, I think you don't need to use six products in a day. You may not even use all of them. What I wanted to do was like a skincare regime. We've seen it where people online put 20 sets of skincare regimes and never had time to do that. What you have is targeted parts depending on what your lip needs. Now, when we look at the products individually and go through, I say which individual one and when they're best used. Then we talk about the specific lip types and how we can combine them in that way. If we look at Drench, Drench is a lightweight, hydrator for the lips. It's a perfect primer for the lips itself. This is great to use on its own. Lightweight hydration, particularly in this heat where you don't want anything too heavy. It will go deep into the areas. You've seen it easier. It's very soft in the area. It acts as a perfect primer before lipstick as well because when people apply makeup, they forget that when they wipe it off, they take away moisture from the lip. Adding something like this beforehand to kind of prime the lips, reduce the fineliner and hydrate it gently, but leave no residue and no kind of finish. It's perfect. So this is your kind of, if you use one thing daily, would it be this? Yeah. So for me, if you're someone that doesn't have dry lips, you know, so you have normal lips and you're just in normal maintenance of hydration, Drench is perfect for you and all female in that way. And a good primer for lipstick. Can lipstick, I find that some lip products, they do dry out my lips, especially those, um, the stainy ones that, um, without, without Colin perhaps. Yeah. So this is why it's perfect as a good primer. So many makeup artists now are using this when they're applying to their patients. So they're using this before to prime your lips and then they're applying the makeup on after. Yeah. So the, so the lipstick doesn't want, not only sticks, but doesn't dry your lips out. Exactly that. Um, then we have Sculpt, um, which is a volumizer or a plumber, um, by technical circumstance. Now when, before this came out, the most traditional way to stimulate the lip to pull the volume was to irritate it. So you would use the cayenne pepper or any type of irritant to the lip that would cause it to sting. And then that causes vasodilation. And then that would cause the lips to swell. That one was temporary. Two at the same time could cause oversensitization to the lips over a long term. So it's not what I wanted to go down. So I wanted to look at active, but I could pack in the ride within it that could actually cause the effect on the short, but also the long term too. So that's where we looked at things like nine bill, which is derived from sesame seeds and is known clinically to have an effect on the fat cell size within the actual lips itself. We also looked at the body lip, which we know in the cells has an effect on also the mucosa of the lip as well. And then we looked at under a number of factors that we increased to. So we know by building these factors, mucosa, water, we're going to increase the size of the lips. Now we have to be careful when we're talking about these things, because obviously cosmeceuticals we say typically don't affect change into areas because of the legalities, but we know that they do, you know, when you apply a product to an area, it's not because you put pigment on that area. So these things are having physiological effects to the actual lip itself. Yeah. Yeah. And it's got actives in and we know that actives work on other areas of our skin. So is that, can you guess an immediate? Yeah. So we've scoped, it depends on the amount of volume loss you have. So this is, this is a great product for two types of people. One where your lips want to gain volume, so it acts as a booster and you can use this up to one to three times a day. Or if you've lost volume, because we know we lose about 1% of collagen from our face from our mid twenties. So we know at that point, particularly the lip area, as well as the area where we find it starts to shrink. So using this topically in an area that can help also to combat that too. So this is a great product for those that want to gain volume, but also those who felt they've lost volume to actually treat their lips. Yeah. And would you use this, right, for a couple of times a week or? Yeah. So one to, what I intend to say to you is one to three times a day is the maximum amount and use it up to six to eight weeks for maximum results. This is based on what we saw in clinic using these on patients. So some people had immediate results, but remember, we're not just talking about short, we're talking about long-term results too. But at the same time, some patients didn't react quickly first time. So they were a bit impatient because they were thinking of that kind of old school irritant plumber that would just. Yeah. Or those machines that. Exactly. But we didn't want that. We wanted something that was going to be great for the lip barrier long-term, but it also would change too. Just a quick question from Zoe, does licking the lips make them drier? Yes, it can, unfortunately. And it's for many, two reasons. Again, it's about epidermal water loss. You're going to hear me talk a lot about EBW across here. And that's because there's so many studies when you're looking at that mucosal tissue. And again, it's by when you're licking the lips, one, you're putting moisture on the lips, the warmth then evaporates that moisture, it takes away heat, it takes away moisture from the lips itself. But then also as well, when you're sucking area, you're then reducing also fluid in that area too. So by those two mechanisms, you will be drying out that area. And it's quite a common thing I see people who have dry lips or cracked lips. I will see that by nature, there's someone that's biting their lip or they're sucking on their lips repetitively. One of the things that actually, yes, these topical products can help, but actually another thing is a doctor cognitive behavioral therapy, because many times it's habit. And so many people end up going with hypnosis or CBT, and they can find ways to stop that from happening. What would be, if you do have dry lips, what is your kind of SOS? So my SOS, I love this. So when we're talking about serums, so the ones we've talked about so far serums, this is a balm, but this is a non tacky balm and it goes very far. You know, when you see the textures like butter, and you think, oh, this is going to be a heavy product, but then you place it on, you go, this goes in easily. It's light, it's non-tacky, it leaves a lovely gloss to the lips. And it's amazing. It's based with squalene. That's what we went for rather than petroleum jelly, because I love that in terms of known inputs, healing factors, not just hydrating at the same time. And this is one of those instant moisture SOS. So if you're someone with really dry cracked lips, you instantly put this on and you instantly feel satisfaction. You also can use it as a thick layer before going to bed at night to act as a mask. So when you wake up in the morning, then you have that deep hydration too. Yeah, yeah, I do. I use this at night. I really, I really like it. It's, you really do notice the difference. And squalene is this skin identical oil. It's derived from sugarcane. And it's amazing. And so what we try and do as well, from an ethical standpoint, is try and drive that lot that sugarcane from Africa, and where I'm from, I'm Nigerian. And the main reason for that is because in many times, the farmers are exploited for their sugarcane as a resource, unfortunately. And so by driving, getting it directly from those places, and not the places that they've been kind of exploited, it helps put money back in so they're able to farm more. Okay, so we've talked about these, we've still got four. We've talked about Sculpt, Drench, and Coat. And so we have three more left. And so one of the last of the hero products from the four that came out is Paws. So Paws is a great product, because it has dual function. Paws by name, and what you'll notice by each of its names, is what they do. So we've named them simply. So Sculpt, Sculpt Lips, Volume, Drench, Drench, Hydration, Coat to Coat Lips. So Paws is stopping. And that was to stop breakdown and loss of hyaluronic acid from the lips. And one of the reasons we got that is because it's got a known active called Wakimi from algae. Now in that particular algae, we know it's got enzymes that block hyaluronidase activity. Hyaluronidase is an enzyme that breaks down hyaluronic acid in our body. And it's something that you inject when you want to take out people's fillers, isn't it? Exactly, exactly. So we inject synthetic hyaluronidase to break down hyaluronic acid. We know when we do that, we don't know if we're breaking our filler or our own, but we know we are producing HA constantly. So we recover from that. So what this does, but unfortunately as we get older, that process slows down. So we are losing more. So this helps to try and hold that process from a topical aspect too. It also helps to hydrate the lip also. Now you would think, okay, where would this type of product then benefit? That's someone with an aging lip. So they're losing volume and then compare that up then with Sculpt to boost volume, pause loss, boost loss. But then at the same time for people who have fillers, you know, we know now more and more patients have dermal fillers. And one of the biggest things for my patients that have dermal fillers is they want their lip fillers to last longer. And we know to try and do that, we want to hold the breakdown of the process. So using this topically can help for the longevity of your product too. Oh, there's a question about the goody bags. They have been sent out, but Daisy here from Esho. Oh, bless the car. Yeah, they have been sent out. They definitely have been. It might be the postie, depending on the heat, might have not got to you. Or if it has, you might have been carded, but I know Daisy online there will be checking with everyone just to make sure. Yeah, they will be imminently. Yeah. So do let us know what you think when you, when you finally do get to try it. Even I haven't got the two new ones yet. Yeah, exactly. And I just about got the two new ones to talk to you about. And these are my new babies. I love these. And so when we look at these products, so Sculpt, Drench, Pores and Coat, they can use all times of the day. Okay. And, but then when you look at your skincare, you have kind of AM and PM, don't you? And when I looked in the range I've created so far for what is missing, you know, I want to be a complete lip range. So I need to think about what's missing. And one I thought, well, we don't have an exfoliator. We talk a lot about resurfacing, talk about a lot about resurfacing the skin before we put and help in this part of our aging. Why don't we have this lip? So when I went to look at that area, I thought, well, again, it wasn't much innovation. The main thing was physical exfoliants like sugar scrubs. And that was in there. But the problem with that is unless you're careful, you can end up irritating it because you don't know how aggressively you are scrubbing. Exactly. So I thought, right, I love acids. I use them in clinic all the time on the skin. How can I do this on the lip? With a lip it's very difficult because one, it's more sensitive because we just said three layers thick. And also it's where we ingest already. So it has to be safe to if we accidentally digest it. So these main acids, as you all know, guys, I know you all love your skin. You've got AHAs and BHAs, alpha hydroxide acid, beta hydroxide acid. There's another group a lot of people don't talk about, which is PHAs. So polyhydroxy acids really are ones which are larger molecules and they tend to be much more gentle in exfoliation on the skin. What's great about that is that then on the lip where it's more sensitive, it's much more slower to break it down, but more sensitive. So it's suitable for that area, but also safe also to ingest too. So that's where we went and looked at getting a PHA blended formula to be an exfoliate on the lips overnight and to hydrate the area too. And it's amazing product. You know, I've been using it. You place it on the lip, you agitate it on the lip just so it goes across the whole lip surface. You only need a small amount and you just feel instantly it's already denuded and eaten away those dead skin cells. And on its own leaves the lip lovely and soft for the morning after. Because it's an acid, again, you tend to use that at night. So it's a night product. So it's one where as you go before you go to bed, I would say just wash and remove all product that you've got on the lip. And then you would agitate the area and use it on it. Not on broken skin. If you have broken or open sore skin, do not add acid to the area. It's the same as you would on your face because that would just lead to irritation and stuff. It's a great usage. I would say first off, starting off to use it one to three times a week. You don't need to use it more than that. But then if you're finding that's great, then you can reduce that down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So all in all, it's a great tool kit. Is there an SPF coming next? Oh, yes, there is. Of course there will be. So one of the biggest things I got asked was people were like, well, why don't they have SPF within them? And one of the biggest things for me as a physician is I talk about SPF all the time. You will see the following thing I tweet, even today I tweet people wear sunscreen. And the reason why I don't put in the products is because when I believe when sunscreen are in lighter or finer products, you underestimate, you think you're covered. The problem is you're not because you probably wipe that surface, wipe that area. You're not getting enough of it. So you're when we do these SPF testing, we are putting thick layers on. So this is why I've always been an advocate for separate SPF to your product. So I've been like skincare, don't get SPF, not skincare with SPF in it. Yes, I always use this. I mean, if I have my, you know, if my moisturiser has SPF in it, I'm always going to always do it on top because it's a finer moisturiser. So you're not coating it the same way you would do SPF. So it's the same with this. I've encouraged people still when they use this, then to put SPF on their lips. Because there was, we were talking about tips earlier on. One of the biggest thing is people put the SPF on, but they ignore their lips. And that area is delicate and easy itself. But because I know people want a specific one, what I wanted to do was create one, which is in the works. There's a lot of things ready in my lab that would act on top of the layer itself. That would be a thicker product. So if you just wanted yourself to carry something that was just specific to your lips that you could layer on with these, it's going to be there. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. Because that, you know, as we said, they're very, lips are vulnerable to, you know, some damage and skin cancer more than any other area. Is that? If you get damaged, then this is your bad boy now. Seal. So that's one of the new nuances. Just, we talked about renewing the exfoliator, seals your overnight sleep and hydrating mask. Because again, when I looked at all the range so far, I haven't done the overnight mask and I didn't do what the, you know, people probably would have seen, you know, this cut out lip shapes that you put on top. The reason why I didn't do that was again, causing by knowing as a doctor, I think I missed it, knowing that if you had something like that, the monocles are too large, you're just going to sit on the surface of the lip. You'll act as a superficial humectant, but you're not going to get anything happening deeper than that. So I knew I needed to create a serum that would act as an overnight mask and go deeper in the layers of the lips. So that's why we created Essure Seal. What Seal is, it acts as a smart mask. It's actually an oil and water hybrid emulsion. And what happens is when it comes into contact with the lips, the oil part of it moves to the surface, the water part stays in contact with the lips. Within the water, we have several actives. Then we have specific ones that target and work on boosting lip volume, but also it's got several, several thousand hydra, what was it, little hydra microspheres. And these spheres pass into the lip, but when they catch contact with water, they expand too. So they plump the lip as well. So clever. So clever. Now I'm never going to use Vaseline on my lips. Never, never. I can't wait for you to get these and try this because I think like particularly people who love, love Coke, they're going to like Seal. Like, you know, I think they're like brothers In the meantime, until we get your dedicated lip SPF, what is the, what should we be putting on? Is it just whatever we're putting on? Straight away, all your SPFs that you use in your skin is suitable to put on your lips. All of them are, you know, they all are. So, you know, particularly for people, I would say for people, people of colour, you know, your ones got ones that cast, try and avoid that because casting will be worse on your clothes and tissue. So, you know, you're Our general SPF called Esso Shield actually isn't ready. It's ready. We had in the throw here, Victoria, an influencer that you guys might know, and she used it and she loved it. It's a smart SPF. Again, with all the products I make, it has to be different from what's on the market. And our SPF, it's called Shield, but spelled S H E A L D. And that gives you a clue. It heals and does something while screening at the same time. So we also had to make it so it has a dual effect. Yeah. And Zoe's saying, do you have to make it taste nice as well, I guess, if it's a dedicated? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be harder. Obviously, there is almost no way. So give an example with Renew, like, I hope people do feel that it's good in taste because it was so hard to disguise the taste of a PHA. Like, when you have a bland PHA, it was disgusting without that. And obviously, we wanted to make sure it was at a level that it wasn't overly sweet and disgusting, but then enough to make it tolerable. And I think we got there. We went through several, several different taste sessions to make sure we got that right. SPFs, unfortunately, haven't got that in it at the moment there. But the one that we've got coming for your lips. When is it coming? When is it coming? I can't tell you that. I can't even tell you something one more that Daisy probably will kill me to sit them for my comms team is that there is another lip product coming out before even all of that and lip oil. And it does something very special, but I can't say what that is. Also, just while everybody's on here, we do have a 20% off discount code exclusively for you. I think it's until let me see when when does it last until it's not long because today's Oh, yeah, to 27th of July. So we might not get it in time for the new launches. But if you know, you'd love these products, then do stop. We'll send you the code tomorrow on the email, but I can give it to you. Now it's GTG 20. Daisy, if you're there, maybe we can put it in the chat. GTG 20% off on your website until 27th of July. And that's the link to our website there for you guys. She's put the code up already. She'll put the link to the Esho which is www.esho.co.uk. Very simple. What's great about that is it doesn't just show the product, but it's got something called the Esho lip guide there. And it's got 10 typical lip types. You might know or not know what type you are by by looking at that guide you will and it will see already pre made regimes that are there to use. Now, obviously, you may pick and play and create your own regimes. This is why I wanted to create a product like this that people go away, you know, you guys are smart, educated, informed, you will know what you like. But at the same time, for those that need a bit of guidance, there are guides that show you and will show you what to use on a dry lip to use on an aging lip to use on a normal lip type. So so we have a show here for the next 15 minutes, please do put your questions in the chat, not just about specific lip skin care, but anything else that that you'd like to ask him about. And I certainly I'd like to know what are the mistakes that you see? You obviously, you're seeing people who come to you, but what do you think the biggest thing I see, particularly when it comes to invasive treatments into lips is people don't seem to ask what's been used. And I don't ever get that. You know, I always say look, you will know, the maker, the designer bag, you're about to spend how much on, you know, the meal, what's in the food that restaurant that's going to spend how much on so why not the product that's about to be injected into your body, you know, we need to ask those questions, we need to be sensible by that. And I've seen everything injected in the area from water to cow fat, to silicone, so much, you know, it's crazy out there. So I think, you know, if people are going for these treatments, and they're doing it for the right reasons, please, please, please make sure that under a medical practitioner, you've done your research is where the medical facility was setting. And they are all set up and geared to help you just in case things go wrong, because unfortunately, these are medical procedures. And even though they're non surgical, they're still medical. Yeah, but it isn't doesn't have the regulation yet to make us as consumers to protect us as consumers from being injected in a non medical setting. It's different to Botox. Yeah, yeah, because they're restricted because they're prescription. Yeah, so prescription restricts them a bit more. Unfortunately, fillers, you know, they should be medical devices. So they should be restricted. But hopefully, things are moving in the right way. You know, we just had, you know, regulation in terms of age, you know, to go through so no one below the age of 18 that's put through to try and protect younger adults. So I hope from that that will add to things going forward. So you're saying when is the nipple allowed? All I can tell you is that I do have like, you know what, my house, my missus will kill me is like a lab like there are so many lab samples across my bedroom of everywhere. And there's so the problem with me is my mind is going so constantly. And I know what I want to produce across the next five years by my adding things here or there. And so with the lab, we produce so many things. What I can tell you from an issue point of view is that it doesn't just stop the lips. I do so much. And what we've done is we've decided to put everything in different categories. So what you're seeing right now is a show the lip doctor range. You will see some point next year, the face doctor range. That's a clue what's coming in. You will see the body doctor range. Another clue. And then finally, you will see a show the home doctor rate that may be relating to me. So there's all of them. I miss that. I told you the home doctor rate that might be related to devices. So there's a lot of things in there. So exciting. Yay. Yes. So there's a question about wrinkles around the lips, lines or smokers lines. This is going to be your best for that. So what is great is all of these products we talked about using on the lips. But actually, some of my patients, I've said to them when they're suffering on perioral lines, use it a bit around the area. It's been neglected as well. These will work in the perioral region. So one to treat perioral lines, you want to resurface the area. So you want a good exfoliant on the side from there. So renew out the products that you've got. It's safe to use on the lips, but also to agitate around those fine wrinkles. Overnight, as we said, up to one to three times a week. So that's great. When you're using then a hydrator on the area, use and drench around this area. Use lightweight hydrator, which will hydrate and work. When are you using your scalp to volumize? You can also use it outside the lip. That's what's beautiful. This is not the irritant that's going to burn if it's not just in your lips. So it's not going to just add volume to that area. It's going to also help. If you're not looking at topical ways of treating it, laser is one of those options too. Typically, people go for fillers and they don't realize perioral lines are caused by a number of factors, loss of volume, changes of the overlying skin itself as well. So to treat it, you have to treat those causes. So topical skincare we talked about, but also maybe adjuvant things to help that treatment like laser to resurface, and then maybe indicated at the time using a small amount of filler to add volume, if that's what you want to do. In many ways, I've seen patients just from a topical perspective, get the results themselves or use a laser. So you don't need to just jump to the most invasive way. I think the best way is going to a clinical practitioner to have a consult and see what your options are. Having said that, I mean, you've done the laser lip lift on me. I couldn't find it invasive at all. It took like five minutes. No numbing cream. It was really gentle, a little bit crackling. And I actually, I noticed an immediate result, which you explained was kind of immediate, slight kind of stimulation and injury. But over time, it's a- And I can't wait to get you back in for that. You just reminded me. Yeah, unfortunately, obviously my family thinks that the time won't happen, but yeah, I can't wait to get you back in for that. Yeah, and somebody was asking me actually, she read that I'd had it and she was saying, is it a good thing to do before your wedding? The laser lip lift? The laser lip lift, and if you've got a big event, sort of how- So it depends how long she's, or how close she's talking to. So it is great to use before your wedding in terms of having a slight improvement in the texture, slight improvement in the volume, but I wouldn't want it still too close because you still have to have some slight recovery. And also there's also always the risk something can go wrong. So I would always say, if you're saying it, the nearest I would have before a wedding or an event, I would say about four weeks, you know, maximum, just in case, you know, but otherwise, like you say, the downtime and everything is minimum, but we're just covering just in case you're one of those people. Yeah, okay. I'll belay that. We've got some other great questions Yeah, 100%. So, you know, that is a big common question I get asked. People say, you know, pigmentation of lips, what's causing it? One of the big parts is SPF, okay? So this is one where we're talking about how the lip is like three layers thick, it hasn't got sebaceous glands, so it's really prone to damage from the sun, from the environmental, you know, arid carbons in that area that can cause pigmentation. And also in worst cases, cancer, you can get cancer in the lip tissue. So also, you've seen an abnormal dark area that is changing on there, don't just assume it's pigmentation, do see a doctor, because in some cases that is all just skin cancer. So SPF is a big part. The other part for that is using something like Renew. So a resurface or PHA, that's going to help resurface there, but then also brighten the area too. So that's a big part to do that too. Maybe there's a product coming that's targeted specifically at pigmentation too. I cannot tell you all of that, but know that if this is a specific line that is dedicated to everything lips, that is going to continue to be things in there until I've addressed everything to do with the lips itself. Yeah, brilliant. Thank you. We also have a question from Nikki, which is a question I think I always ask. It's about having a long philtrum. So that's this, this bit here. And that's, as you age, this bit gets longer because everything drops. Exactly. And so I, if you, I'm a bit obsessed with watching newsreaders when you can only see their bottom teeth. Maybe because the news is the only thing I watch. But as you age, this drops as Nikki's saying, and you know, looking at your top, being able to see your top teeth is a kind of youthful smile. It is. I think unfortunately, so the mechanism behind it, some people born with, you know, we are all different. Some people have longer philtrums than others, but with age that distance lengthens. And the reason why is it's normally more curved when we're younger because we've got a fat pad behind here. We also have our bone in this area too. And what happens with age, the fat pad regresses, bone density reduces, so it goes backwards. And because of that, the length increases and also changes in laxity. Exacerbate that too. Once that happens, you get a longer philtrum area. And what unfortunately some people try to do is try to get so much filler to try and elevate the lip. Now it can work to a limitation, but the problem is filler is three dimensional. So it can lift, but you're also going to get forward downs, whichever three dimensional plane. So there'll be a limit and then people still keep trying to do it. And then all that happens is the lip projects forward without even lifting anymore. So when you see a practitioner that would advise you and see you, they would say filler can play a role in elevating, but there'll be a limit. The last thing that's left off that is a bit more invasive, but still not as invasive as full surgery is the lip lift, where people can get an incision below the lip, the philtrum is shortened and lifted up and that elevates and shows the lips again. Exactly. And is that, um, is that something that you do in clinic or is that? No. So that's something that I would say definitely should be in a surgical setting. It needs to be in a septic environment. Um, and it needs to be done in a place where, you know, control that area. So I always recommend someone's having a lip lift. Um, I don't do that myself. I do have a good colleague, um, which again, I can give her after this, this is something that was considering who's an expert in that area and does many of those procedures. So if I see a patient really, that I think, you know, you'll be on injectables topicals and this needs this type of intervention. And also you also told me that you often refer to people to dentists if they want. Yeah. Yeah. I have recently. So I'm filming a show at the moment for W, um, called duty rewind clinic, where it's a bit like a UK botched. I mean, we'll be out in January. I'm on UK TV and it's essentially where we're taking people who have gone too far or done too much. And we want to bring it back to natural cells. One of the contributors I can tell you is a girl who had clipping veneers. And because of that, those clipping veneers were kind of really big and forward. Um, and obviously they eroded her current team. Now when we took off those holes, the lip to look longer and sunken in, because teeth give a lot of structure to how your lips sit. So without the clipping veneers, that was an issue. So I sent her to a colleague of mine, Dr. Ronan, who I work closely with, um, as a cosmetic dentist and a cosmetic doctor. And many times where there's cases where we need to build structure based on the teeth, I will get her to do that. And I'll work alongside to build the lip. And then we have the perfect symmetry going forward. So it's not necessarily, you can make the lips look lumbering in all sorts of ways. Sonia's saying lips that sag down the side, you get older, your mouth. Yeah. So that is a big thing that turning upside down mouth and many reasons for that happen. One is loss of volume within these areas too, but then also as well, the depressive muscles of the area overtake any pullover and one called the DAO is an actual muscle, which is pulling overtakes and pulls down. So there's two ways actually from a kind of, um, treatment way to help that one is using filler to re-volumize, but it also to do something called myomodulation. That's when we inject filler in the area and it has an effect on the muscle on how it has an action. So injecting it will reduce the volume, but also reduces the pull, which can turn that area up and reduce that upside down appearance. The other is actually using Botox in some cases where we can inject the depressive muscle, which will release the tension of the pull, which happens through aging and actually elevate the area. I prefer the filler part to do myomodulation because it's more predictable. I know when I'm injecting, I can see the improvement and see it done with the Botox. I feel sometimes depending on how that person uptakes it, it can be too much. And then once that's there, it has to wear off, you know, you can remove the filler if you don't like the result, you just have to see it out. So that's my preferred option. So many things that we can do just to make those little tweaks, but also you've said to me beforehand that our lips are so, um, you know, they create such an impression. That's the second thing you look at after eyes. Yeah, completely. So, um, you know, it's such a central point. If look at ourselves and in studies, they look at what we look at, we're looking at someone, all the focus becomes in this upside down triangle here. And the first thing we look at directly are the eyes. The second thing is after that, then we go back to the eyes. So, you know, in an area where there's so much focus on it, I can understand why people are so scared because it's one thing you don't want to get wrong. And that's why from an injectable point of view on even energy waste machines, people can be wary of why I knew creating this because I wanted to then give those people to have a topical options of achieving similar results. Yeah. Um, uh, Lynn is asking, I constantly have broken skin or cuts in the corners of my lips. Is there any way to deal with that? Oh, yeah. So it sounds like you've got something called angular stomitis. Um, so angular stomitis is a chronic condition, which cause breaks in the lip. One of the biggest things is important when you see a GP is to check, um, your vitamins. So if you're insufficient in some vitamins, um, so I deficient will be 12 that and cause those reactions in the corner of the lips itself. But then also as well, fungal infections, low gate fungal infections can stop that area from healing and cause that too. And if they see signs of that, they can give you a topical antifungal with story to help deal with that area too. But in terms about the products here, I did actually have a colleague of mine recently who was suffering really bad. And I gave him a shot of Coke. He does in that area. And that healed it for him. Seal wasn't out during that time. So if you're someone that's obviously honest, so we've got that, and this is what we're suffering from at the moment, I would leave the rest of the products away because what you don't want to do is overstimulate with too much acid. If you've got broken skin that will irritate the area. So probably just use just coat in the day up to three times and before bed at night, you seal all over the lip and especially if they play in there, I mean, you're really going to get that healing process in that area. And I wouldn't be surprised after a few weeks if that wasn't there anymore. Brilliant. I'm just going back to the, um, the question about the long build. I'm obsessed, but I realized there was a second option. What can you do if you don't, if you don't want a surgical lip lift, if you don't want to have your teeth built up on the any way to lift even more. So yeah, so filler will do to an extent. One other option to do is threads. So PDO threads. Um, so for those that don't know, um, that's a synthetic material that acts a bit like a stitch where we place it in the lips or any part of the face and we can lift up. So you would have probably seen these things. They tend to last in a body anywhere between about a year to 18 months. Um, and it can help cause a tightening of tissue. Now, um, in this particular area, you can use threads to kind of help give a lift in that area. And it will be temporary, but it is one quite sensitive. Okay. So it can be quite painful. And also because the skin here, particularly if you've got a longer, you have to be careful to bury it at the right level for two reasons. One, you don't want it to be visible. And also you don't want it to affect your movement and how you talk and smile. Um, so that is another option you can use for that. Yeah. But I think, um, I think when, I think when I asked you about it, I did, I did experience with the laser lip lift. I definitely noticed some bumping here and just. Definitely. So anything that increases volume will do that. So from a point for the laser lip lift, definitely you will find you will get that. And with topical products, that in from sculpt here, you will find you get that as well. Um, with fillers, you will find you get that too, but then when we're not talking about volume, when we're talking about lifting of the material or the tissue, then really that's a structural thing where that's either surgery for a lip lift or from a non-surgical thread in that instance. I actually had Dr. Shana, another, um, TV. Yeah, I know her. Yeah. She's lovely. I'm sure you're big pals, but what she was, I was moaning to her about my lungs. And she put like a couple of millimeters of bonding. So, you know, not just like, which not only detected the, the, um, it's like chips. She said what it does. Um, so Nikki, in answer to your question, is it makes your bottom teeth poke out of your bottom lip a bit more. So it gives you this kind of illusion of having the kind of, you know, when you're, when your lips are high, you'd see more of that illusion you can do. And that's a quite a cheap and non-invasive procedure. Yeah. Cosmetic bonding is very common. I had that, um, initially before my Invisalign, um, and I had it not for those reasons, but it was more just to kind of get in more natural shape. And as you say, it's like a, it's a composite material that's placed around your teeth. It's non-invasive in a way. There's no destruction to your natural teeth, like veneers. Um, so that's very good. It lasts from about a year onward, but it can stain over time. So yeah, I've had mine for like five years and there's no problems. So they can really help with that. And again, also, as we said with teeth, when they are sitting in a certain direction, they help the lips sit in a certain way. So it won't just help show more of the teeth, will help the lips sit in a certain way. Yeah. And then another trick I picked up from a makeup artist is, um, obviously when you've got really good condition of your lips, which we're doing with skincare, you know, your makeup's going to sit better. And if you can do a very slight, um, line just outside the lip line, so it's barely noticeable and then a light, um, which will increase the size of your top lip. So you can do kind of more smoke and mirrors and then use a lighter shade of lipstick, um, on the inside. So it creates the illusion of volume and your products also create the kind of gloss, the kind of, you know, light reflection. I was literally going to say that because I was exactly going to jump on that and say it is light reflection. People don't realize that the lip is duller and it's got a lot of dead skin. It is smaller because it's not rebounding and reflecting light. So that's where something like Renew comes in. If you're not having makeup on your lips or you want to create that illusion that the lip is bigger, if using Renew is great because it removes the dead skin cells, it makes the lip a lot smoother. It reflects that light. So the lips already before even using any of the other products will appear bigger. So it's that glow that we want for the rest of our skin. The other trick you told me, um, is if you put a little bit, you probably will know this, the highlighter on the cupid's bow, again, it makes your lips look bigger. And then you put a tiny bit of bronzer just under here. It creates a shadow, which looks like your lip is projecting forward. So there's that's very smart because that comes along with a lot of my injection techniques. I've got my own injection technique. And one of the biggest things I focus on is those two areas. So I focus on defining that cupid's bow, but I also focus on fitting in that middle part of the lip. So it drops a bit further down. And exactly that's what she's mimicking with the makeup to achieve. Yeah, very clever. I mean, the same, you know, when you really focus on the lips is so much, um, education and so much we can do without, um, necessarily having fillers, but also to know that we do want fillers. There are some, you know, with your skills and the technique that you've developed. It's a nanodroplet technique. So, um, if there's any doctors or medical people on there, it's something I teach on the Allergan AMI teaching resource that you can log on there. You can see that specific technique and how it's done, but for non-medics in that terms, essentially it's a way of using micro droplets of filler in specific areas to cause certain shapes for the lips. Yeah. So you can actually create, you can correct asymmetry. Oh, wow. Thank you. Has anyone got any more questions? Last chance while we've got Esho here with us, um, live from Liverpool. Dr. Esho is teasing us at this point. We'll just move to your clinic. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It looks nice and cool in there anyway. It's really good. It's really good. We're going to be building more of these as well. So we'll be able to see you all. So you're going to be building more Esho clinics? Yeah. Yeah. So right now we have one in London and Wimbledon, which we've been to, and one in Newcastle, um, one now in Liverpool and the other in Dubai. Um, but after this, there's definitely going to be another one next year as well. I haven't said where, because I can't say that yet. Yeah. Brilliant. I mean, you know, you're a specialist in so many things and you've only really dealt with lips, but you know, you also have a background in lasers, so that's a whole other topic. And you know so much about the architecture of the face, the structure of the skin. Um, it's been really, really fascinating to have you here. Let me just see. Birmingham, please. Okay. Okay. We'll put that on the kind of thing, the map. We'll put that on the map to see from there. Oh, I do have one more question that I wanted to ask. So when you, so we all use lots of actives on our skin. Should we be, we talked about what we should put on our skin, but should we keep things like retinol and vitamin C away from our lips or? Yeah, so you're right. So when we're looking at a lot of skincare, the skincare has been designed to use on the face and not to ingest, so not on the clothes or tissue. And you will see the warnings where it says don't ingest or put around the lips. So a lot of the times there are warnings, fortunately sometimes they're not. So particularly when we are doing our regime, this is why I created this brand. So you do have a lip care system to use or a skincare for your lips. This is what this is. So essentially now when you are doing your normal skin regime, but it's just for your face, you have now one that is dedicated to use alongside. Yeah. So skincare that's good enough to eat really. Yes, exactly. I'm going to steal that. I am going to steal that. But have my invoice. Well, it's got to be, doesn't it? By regulation. You know, we know it's really, you know, it's really safe and it's going to do what you said. I'm just going to have it. Well, thank you so much. Can't wait to get my hands on those two new products. I can't wait for you to get your feedback as well, because, you know, I respect you very much and I'm excited for everyone here. You know, please do give us feedback. Please do let me know. I'm always listening. Even if it doesn't look like I've read the DM, I probably have. It's just several hundred. Instagram is the best place to contact you and leave feedback. Yeah. I think on social media, if you DM me and you let me know, you know, I constantly go through that point and look and see. The website does also have emails too on the info at eschoclinic.co.uk sending info like that, because it's great for us because again, this brand has been built on top of all of you guys and without you, we wouldn't be producing these products. So there's things you're thinking of and you've heard the different categories we're doing from lip to face to body to home devices. Let us know and you might never know. We might grant your wish. Brilliant. Thank you so much, everyone. Thank you for giving up your evening to participate and for your brilliant questions. It's always so nice when it's so interactive and you really hear what matters to you. And thank you, Escher, for answering so fully and spending time with us this evening. We'll get the follow-up email tomorrow. We'll remind you of the discount code 20% off tomorrow in the email as well. So look out for that. Thanks, everyone. Thanks. Have a great evening. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, Zoe. Bye, Nicky. Bye, Sonya.