Marronage, Medicine, and Mythology: Narrating Obeah in the 19th Century | Collection Review

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Medicine and Mythology Narrating Obeah in the 19th Century
is led by Ainsley Nguyen-Aikens. Ainsley joined the Library Company staff
in June of 2020. Originally from Richmond, Virginia, they
moved to Philly after earning their bachelor's in African-American studies
from Wesleyan University. Before joining the Library Company, they
archived the Anita Cornwell papers at the William Way LGBT Archives
and worked with the Children's Literature Research Collection at the
Free Library. They are currently an IMLS fellow at
Drexel University working on a community-based
librarianship project to support police-free
library-backed schools. Ainsley, thank you for being here.
Thank you, Deja. Let me just go ahead and share my screen.
So, hi everyone. As Deja mentioned, my name is Ainsley Nguyen-Aikens.
I use they-them pronouns and welcome to my first collection review for the
Library Company. Before we begin, I want to emphasize
that this collection review is about colonial accounts of Obeah.
Please understand the way Obeah is actually practiced and viewed in
community is not what is represented in these
materials. This is meant to clarify the history of how the practice was
racialized, criminalized, and exploited by the
white west Indian planter class and their counterparts in Europe and the
U.S. A content warning that the materials
included do contain violent and racist narratives
and this is all actually what we will be examining to expose how Obeah was
viewed. These few materials are not
representative of the Library Company's complete holdings
and I hope that my presentation will help potential researchers
engage in generative discussions about accurately portraying colonialism
and imperialism in special collections. So, let's start with a little background
on the usage of the word Obeah in special collections. If the term is
unfamiliar or one invokes thoughts of revenge
rituals and shady figures, know that this is for a reason. Almost
every reference you'll find to Obeah in popular culture portrays it as
laughable, unscientific, black magic, sacrilegious, or demonic.
There's also a stereotype that Obe men and Obe women are con artists.
It might be hard for anyone doing a short search on the topic to distinguish
truth from myth when even the Library of Congress
categorically misrepresents Obeah's origins.
It is given a subheading of cults, a variant of roots or hoodoo,
and linked in relation to witchcraft. Ultimately,
the summation of Obeah is inaccurate. It's arguable that conflating Obeah with
witchcraft without social context erases its
blackness and leads researchers astray. Furthermore,
giving it a variant of roots displaces Obeah geographically
and obscures Obeah's actual variations in areas of practice.
So, when you go to do your in-depth research about Obeah,
you'll probably find various spellings and pronunciations according
to the region of origin. A significant portion of what you'll find will also be
about how Obeah has been outlawed with draconian punishment
in at least 22 regions of the Caribbean. These rules still haven't been repealed
in some areas. The flags of Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad,
and Guyana are included to show you just a few
areas where Obeah has a history. So, the first laws against Obeah came
from the British West Indies. Tacky's Rebellion, one of the most
significant uprisings of enslaved people in Jamaica,
began in May of 1760. The anti-Obeah legislation was signed into law by
Other territories followed suit over the next several decades,
using similar language as the crown, if not copied word for word.
So, this brings us to our holdings here at the Library Company.
Starting with the Treatise on Sugar in 1799,
ending with Jamaica as it is in 1903, the materials I've chosen cover 104
years of publishing on Obeah, just over a century. It's worth
mentioning that the trial of a slave in Burbese takes place in what we
now know as Guyana, and Obeah, or Witchcraft in the West Indies,
is written about Granada. However, all four of these other pieces,
the Treatise on Sugar, Three-Fingered Jack, The Grateful Negro from Popular
Tales, and Jamaica as it is, are all centered
on Jamaica. So, clearly it is significant. So,
let's take a look at our earliest volume, a Treatise on Sugar.
It definitely looks its age on all 195 pages,
and the front board is barely hung on by a thread. Still,
I'd say this is one of the most instrumental pieces in understanding
narratives on Obeah. This study on sugar was authored by
Benjamin Moseley, who spent 18 years in Jamaica as Surgeon
General, and undoubtedly was accumulating wealth as the sugar
industry was rapidly expanded by the growth of slave labor.
On the flyleaf, you'll see an inscription of the name John Foggin,
I might not be pronouncing that correctly, who was a librarian
at the American Philosophical Society, known to Benjamin Franklin and a wine
merchant who was sent to Jamaica early in life to start his career.
A reminder that wine has, and in the 19th century,
used to have a lot more sugar. You'll also find a nod to Benjamin Rush
or Philadelphia, immediately following the study segment
on our topic, Obeah. Obeah appears in relation to a
bacterial disease, the yaws, which can cause severe
disability if left untreated. It could spread amongst enslaved people
since they were kept in close quarters and didn't usually have the right to
basic human needs or hygienic provisions. Moseley says the
method for treating the yaws was to separate the infected person in a
distant hut in order to bathe, heal, and prevent
further spread. Then goes on to say that this rarely
happened because patients either died or
were mutilated in exile, allowing robbers and fugitives as company,
while growing more perverse in morality and succumbing to the wickedness of Obeah.
This piece is instrumental in seeing how Obeah becomes
characterized and criminalized throughout the so-called New World.
The footnote circled at the bottom of page 170
explains the supposed origins of Obeah, creating a standard for authors to come.
Moseley likens Obeah to the raising of the dead from the Bible
and goes on to insult the Negro race as ignorant
with Obeah and gambling being the only tools
with which they can apply logic. Then he lists some of the materials used in
practice. When we look at this with an
understanding that a treatise on sugar was likely distributed among other
influential merchants and men of science and philosophy,
shaping international trade and the exchange of ideas,
we can understand how integral Moseley's work might have been in shaping the
sugar industry and the race-making of Africans.
I also say this because a treatise on sugar is directly referenced in at least
three other materials in the review. They use similar language on describing
Obeah, Africans, and Black people as criminal, ignorant, dirty, diseased, and
prone to malice by an inherent ancient status. This book is
bound to be significant to any scholar studying mercantilism,
food, medicine, wine, and, of course, race.
So 23 years later comes the trial of a slave in Berbice for
the crime of Obeah and murder. From what I've read,
it's not possible to know whether there was explicit anti-Obeah legislation in
Berbice by 1823, but there was a declaration against
Obeah by the governor. The story of the crime is in the
subtitle that an enslaved woman, Madeleine, was beaten to death with
her body hidden by Willem, the Obe man in this case,
with the help of his accomplices. This folio was broken down into the
deposition, examinations, sentencing, and executions or
condemnations, which are listed in the index.
The murder of this woman and the violence she endured before her death
is a horrendous tragedy, and at the same time,
the whole premise of the trial was not to beget justice.
In the eyes of the law, enslaved people were considered property,
with lives that were replaceable. At least 1,800 enslaved people were
slaughtered in the Berbice uprising of 1763, just 60 years prior to this
trial. A little over a third of the colony's
enslaved population then. They were replaced with thousands more
slaves over the ensuing decades. The issue was not murder or brutality
inflicted against Madeleine, but it was the fact that her body,
considered property, had been stolen and that an Obe man
had amassed a following that challenged the will of the planters.
Furthermore, Berbice, formerly a Dutch colony, was ceded to the British and in
the process of uniting with other territories during the time of this
trial. In this realm, the legal proceedings
could also be considered a charter to show power in the presence of the
British. Surely this folio would be of interest
to any scholar studying African, Dutch, British relations, or Afro-diasporic
rituals. As you can see in the examples, the
trial brings up the Menjimama dance and the drink set with Obe. My
understanding is that the Menjimama dance, also known as the Mookski dance,
is a water deity dance and setting the drinks with Obe, I understand, to be a
type of spell that one would drink. You can see those at the top of the
page and bottom. So Obe, or a three-fingered jack, might
ring a bell to some. It was more widely distributed as a
folktale, with Jack being cast as a hero or a complete terror, depending on which
version of the story you hear. In Earl's Tale, he's a tragic hero.
Our earliest edition of this book is actually dated 1804.
The edition I've used here was published in 1830,
and our last copy was published in 1842. This is an epistolary novel, meaning
it's written as a series of letters. William Earl narrates everything about
Jack's life from pre-birth to death, following the betrayal of his West
African parents, who saved a white man only to be betrayed by
him and sold into slavery. The letters narrate their brutal
shipment across the Atlantic, Jack's childhood and loss, and his
devotion to avenge them, fighting for a sense of justice as a
noble fugitive who vows to never hurt women or children.
His Obe gives him strength, but also becomes his downfall.
A three-fingered jack is similar to the Grateful Negro
from Maria Edgeworth's popular tales, in that they're both abolitionist tales
and in the category of fiction. The Grateful Negro is a story of two very
different slave owners, one extremely abusive and the other
magically benevolent. Caesar, the so-called Grateful Negro,
saves his wife, his master, and the plantation by betraying his lifelong
friend who's planning a rebellion. He helps the masters find the location
of an evil, crony Obe woman to burn down her hut and
dissuade the uprising. Like the other short stories in this
novel, the Grateful Negro is meant to be a moralizing tale
to the white planters and their posterity. It ends with the more evil
slave master facing 50,000 pounds in losses from the
uprising on his plantation. He and his wife return to England, poor,
miserable, and bitter towards slaves. The last two lines read,
they had no consolation in their misfortunes but that of railing at the
Our readers, we hope, will think that at least one exception may be made
in favor of the Grateful Negro. Despite themes of abolitionism,
the story still relies on emphasizing the spiritual,
cultural, and general inferiority of Black people.
The treachery of the Negro race is only granted exception
to the dominated Black subject who's considered to be grateful
on her knees or bowing his head. Caesar, as you can see here, bows his head to the
master but raises his hand in the left image
to the Obie woman, seen here in her hut with bones and
other Obie instruments, straw flooring, pots, rags. Researchers
interested in this topic may find the stories here resonate with
ongoing conversations at the library company about the
Jennings painting titled Liberty Displaying the Arts and
Sciences. In both Popular Tales and the Grateful
Negro, the footnote technique on Obie is utilized,
introducing it with an irreverent manner meant to entertain and intrigue the
readers. West African culture and spiritualism
is reduced to an occultish tale meant to fascinate Christian readers with
knowledge about heathens and far-off places.
Perpetuating a narrative that Obie men and women are deformed,
evil, ignorant, and enemies of the very people they serve
creates an embodiment of Blackness to be shamed, punished, controlled,
and executed, which is anti-Black. I mention this to make the effect that
this is an example of how abolitionism does not
end anti-Blackness. Abolitionism becomes a form of anti-Black racism.
With this in mind, we come to Obie, Witchcraft in the West Indies
by Hesketh J. Bell and Jamaica as it is by
B. Pullen Burry. These are the last materials
on our timeline. They provide the most exhaustive accounts of colonial
encounters with Obie in the West Indies. I will note that
the tone towards Black people in both of these
reads as much more outwardly hostile by both authors
than our previous materials. This is probably precisely because they are
written after slavery has been abolished, at least in writing, in the West Indies.
In Witchcraft in the West Indies introduction, Bell mentions the beautiful
scenery of these charming colonies
while in Jamaica as it is, Burry mentions the charms of tropical scenery.
They're both documenting their experiences on the island
and an attempt to draw readers to vacation and come for resort,
which may provide interest to researchers looking into the development
of tourism as it intersects with race. So I've actually decided not to show
further text of these books beyond the contents listed here due to
the use of frequent slurs and general sentiments that I don't
think anyone really needs to hold right now, but I will describe both books.
So by the time Witchcraft in the West Indies was published,
Hesketh J. Bell worked in the governor's office of Barbados
and later the revenue department of Granada. His book
gives a very consistent account of everyday colonial interactions with Obie.
He degrades beliefs surrounding duppies, which are
ghosts, loogaroos, which you could consider a type of energy vampire,
and other cultural practices. He also tells many stories related to
his interactions with witches or paraphrasing the stories of his
friends who were also in positions of colonial power.
Jamaica as it is is more broad, mentioning Obie among Jamaican residents
as well as the beliefs of the Arawak, Maroons,
Indians, and other islands. His chapters are interspersed with
discussions of politics, economy, and history. He also has
several pictures of the island and its residents.
Henry Pullenbury was a medical doctor, but also belonged to a secret society
called the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which was a Masonic or Freemasons
cult. So this book may be of interest to
researchers analyzing the occult in Anglo witchcraft, but also how this
author could on one hand, you know, point out
the inferiority of black magic, but on the other hand,
he belonged to a cult that tried to scientifically legitimize the paranormal
with science. So here you'll see some
photographs from Jamaica as it is, which clarifies the stakes of those
so-called charms both authors mentioned.
Burry includes a copy of a receipt for the sale of a slave girl.
We also see a black individual who may have been asked to pose for effect
with the old-fashioned sugar mill, a machine with which enslaved Africans
were literally worked to death at a rate that sometimes outnumbered births.
We also see images of people hauling island products on donkeys and carts.
And we remember the exploitations of the United Fruit Company,
which began to buy bananas on the island, transport them to Philadelphia,
and sell them at 1000% profit starting in the 1870s.
And naturally, none of that profit sought to go back to the laborers.
So these are also reminders of why Obeah is inextricably bound up with slavery.
No matter whether you agree with the myriad effectiveness
or beliefs of individual practitioners, it is a fact that Obeah was constructed
as dangerous, disdainful, and demonic because Obeah men and women
were a major threat to the white planter class in their economy.
Obeah became a source of intra-community authority, encouraging rebellion
and providing medicine, poison, and conflict resolution.
By the time slavery was abolished, the white imperial project
had already been accomplished.
At the turn of the century, we see how even white believers
in the occult thought Obeah was a farce used by Black people
to scam other Black people because they thought recently,
I'm sorry, that recently freed slaves had only just discovered they had souls.
The West Indies is populated with vacation resorts and banana republics as a result,
and tales of exotic witchcraft is marketed as part of the appeal.
So here are all of the materials mentioned again by call number for your reference.
You can also find them all digitally.
I have links to the full text of each, which I put in the spreadsheet and shared with Deja.
So I think if you've registered, you should be able to get this spreadsheet by email.
And I'll also post the link in our chat probably during the Q&A.
It's not already there.
And if you're still wondering what exactly Obeah is, that's my point.
The challenge of its definition, as well as Obeah's many spellings and potential roots,
speaks to the realities of the transatlantic slave trade
and how enslaved people reconciled West African practices
after being forcibly removed from their homelands.
From the colonial lens, negative connotations were invented by mythologizing Obeah
in relation to the curse of Pam and the necromancy of Samuel in the Bible.
These associations were justified by Asante Twi
in Gold Coast terms for sorcery and witchcraft,
although these words are undoubtedly taken out of cultural context.
Contemporary scholars suggest Obeah's linguistic roots relate to neutral
or positive terms for herbalist, practitioner,
healer, or doctor in pre-colonial West African societies.
As hundreds of thousands of Africans were enslaved
and consistently shipped across the Atlantic Ocean
and during all too familiar forms of violence
and also completely unthinkable brutalities,
only to be forced into labor and sexual slavery upon arrival at a foreign shore,
it became necessary to rely on herbalism and spiritualism
as a source of protection, community, and healing.
Despite cultural conditioning across the century
and laws against Obeah in 22 regions,
Obeah was still widely acknowledged in Black West Indian communities
in the 19th century and Obeah men and women still practice today.
The colonization surrounding common understandings of Obeah
is not something to be celebrated,
but the survival of the tradition is certainly a history that we can respect.
And last but not least, you might have noticed
we didn't discuss the image from the flyers.
So I found this image in our digital collections
after I had already chosen the materials for this collection review,
but I thought it would, you know, kind of perfectly encapsulate
the themes of medicine, marronage, mythology, and colonial accounts of Obeah.
That's an engraving from John Gabriel Stedman's
narrative of five years expedition against the revolted Negroes of Suriname.
You'll also see some excerpts below from the engraving's description.
So marronage or fugitivity after escaping enslavement
is represented in the title through his positioning
as a rebel armed with firelock and hatchet.
Medicine represented in his Obeah amulet,
which is supposed to give him strength and gives him,
you know, confidence in his own protection and mythology
everywhere about the nature and motivations of Black people.
You'll also find a link to this image in the spreadsheet.
So I invite you all to go view it, sit with it,
and reflect on how oppressed people can define knowledge about ourselves
when the very concept of having knowledge is produced against us.
So thank you all for listening and thank you to all the staff,
the library company who helped me along the journey of making this collection review.
Thanks so much. I'll stop sharing my screen.
Thank you, Ainsley, so much for your presentation.
I truly enjoyed it.
As Ainsley mentioned, all of the resources I just put inside of the chat,
but I'll also be sending it out via email along with the recording of today's presentation.
And let's see if there are any questions.
Okay, so we have a question from an anonymous attendee,
but they say, thank you, Ainsley.
How did you choose OBEA to focus on for this collection review?
So as was mentioned sort of in the intro,
I have a background in African-American studies,
and that was one of the things that drew me to the library company
is their extensive programs in African-American history.
So one of the first things I did when I started working there
was go through our other resources page,
which we're currently kind of reconstructing,
but I went through all the African-American collections
and searched for the word Negress to see what would come up about Black women.
And that's when I first saw the trial of a slave in Burbese for the crime of OBEA.
I didn't know what that meant.
So that's why I did more research into it and saw our holdings on it.
That's awesome.
And thank you for bringing it to our audience
and shedding the light on the topic.
This question, this next question is from Lynn Brooks.
Lynn says, a theatrical work, OBEA or Three-Fingered Jack,
was a much performed work in early 19th century U.S. theater.
Are you familiar with it?
And how does it relate to the material you covered?
I was not aware that it was a performance.
That's actually really interesting to know,
and it makes me think too.
Can you repeat what century?
Of course.
Yeah, yeah, I'll reread it.
So she asks, a theatrical work, OBEA or Three-Fingered Jack,
was a much performed work in early 19th century U.S. theater.
Are you familiar with it?
And then the second half is, how does it relate to the material you covered?
Okay, yeah.
So the part about 19th century is making me too wonder if it was performed in blackface.
Naturally, for the time period, that thought comes up.
Three-Fingered Jack, as it relates, I think,
to harkening back to the theme of abolitionism and how that was still anti-black.
And so OBEA was sort of instrumentalized as a tool of that anti-blackness.
So much mythology put on it.
That's really interesting.
Thank you for letting me know about the plays.
I'm going to look into that.
Yeah, I'll definitely have to check that out as well.
Oh, someone else asked.
This question is from Regina Robinson.
Regina asks, thank you for being here, Regina.
She asks, was OBEA practiced differently or the same by women and men?
So I can't answer that exactly because I don't know.
You know, we only have these colonial narratives to go on.
But what we can see, or what I've seen from those,
is that not really was that documented as a difference based on gender.
Pretty much there were the same sort of tools that would be found
in the huts of OBEA men and women, such as bones, parrot beaks,
pots filled with grape dirt or different types of just things that could be collected.
Because we have to remember, too, you know, these are enslaved people.
They can't just go by, you know.
So it's no matter the gender, people are still collecting
those sort of common materials that were around them.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, if there aren't any other questions,
I'll give people a few more seconds if they need to,
to drop their questions in the chat.
Oh, here we are.
Yay.
Okay.
So this one, forgive me for my pronunciation.
This question is from Haywat Tadesi from Dalhousie University.
They said, thank you for this talk.
I was wondering if you caught any instances
where these authors admitted to white people using OBEA.
I know a few instances from Thomas Thistlewood's diaries,
a slave owner in 18th century Jamaica,
when he alluded to being treated by enslaved women.
So this is reminding me of OBEA,
a witchcraft in the West Indies by Bell.
That actually begins with a story
about how the friend he's staying with
is having plantains being thieved from his plantation.
And so he gets an OBEA man to come and set OBEA
on the edges of the plantation and around the trees
in order to prevent stealing.
And it also comes up, I'm forgetting exactly where,
but I know there are a couple of allusions
to how OBEA is considered the black magic
and Christianity is considered the white magic
and how OBEA men and women would try to set OBEA
on masters or poison them.
And if it didn't work, there was this thought that,
oh, OBEA can't be used on white people.
So that's really interesting.
Thank you.
So this next question is from Michelle Flamer.
Michelle asks, there is a plan
to recatalog the African-American collection
to better reflect what it is much of,
to better reflect what it is.
Much of what is cataloged as Afro-American
does not reflect African-American culture,
but instead white racist ideologies.
Just curious as a scholar,
what are your thoughts about this?
It's something that I'm sitting with and thinking about
and a conversation that's also happening
at the library company and in a lot of collections.
I feel like it's a challenge definitely
because on one hand, sometimes the act
of putting out these diversity
and equity initiatives to recatalog
more guilted in, I'm sorry,
is more rooted in white guilt and liability politics
than it actually is about transformational change.
But with that said, with the input of the people
that are directly impacted by collections
that reflect racist stereotypes
or histories about them or violence,
it's a thought process that will take community
in order to figure out what should be done
and how things should be recataloged.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
This next question is from an anonymous attendee.
They ask, are there more ephemeral traces
of Obeah in the collection
beyond these published sources?
Actually, so while I was doing this project,
I saw a reference in, I think it was Jamaica
as it is to a history of Jamaica from 1794.
So that is one book that didn't make it into this
because it's not actually cataloged
as Obeah in our collection.
I only just heard about it a few days ago.
Other than that, I know we do have a scroll somewhere
that has similar inscription
as what we saw in a treatise on sugar
where Obeah is described
as an ancient Egyptian demon of sorts.
If you ever ask that question,
you can send me an email.
I can send you a link to that material
I'm talking about.
And I'll put Ainsley's email in the chat for you all.
So our next question is from Karen Jordan.
And Karen asks, do Islanders practice Obeah today
and also in the US?
Yeah, so Obeah is not a personal tradition
of my family or my ancestors.
So it's not something that I've really encountered
in the US outside of some searching
that I actually did like on Facebook
and social media when I started this project.
But there are people that practice it
in North America and all over the world.
It's related to Ifa and Yoruban traditions.
So it all has to do with Afro diasporic histories
and cultures are sort of everywhere
depending on how people moved.
Right, right.
This next question is from Catherine.
Oh, I'm sorry.
The Benjamin, I believe.
Do you know to what extent Obeah was practiced
in the United States
outside of Catholic New Orleans, Louisiana?
That is not something I know.
And it's something that I'm also still trying
to get more information on.
As you saw in the Library of Congress definition,
Obeah is linked to Southern states.
So I'm sure there are materials and other collections
that give some account of why it's linked
to that specific geographical area.
But there's nothing that I currently know
of that I could trace.
This next question is from Richard White.
How much of the Obeah fear was not about the magic,
although about leadership and resistance?
I'm sorry, Richard, if I messed your question up.
But yeah, that looks like what he means.
Okay, about leadership and resistance.
Before a lot of rebellions,
Obeah was set on people
that were going to be leading the uprisings.
It was spread through plantations
to give them a sense of courage,
a sense of protection, a sense of invincibility.
So that is instrumental in what Obeah is,
or at least in these narratives that we have of it.
And that can't be extracted
from the magical elements of it.
They're sort of one and the same.
It's all a part of it.
Right.
Do you have any suggestions
for searching your collection digitally
on topics like Obeah and Marronage?
So what I did was, like I said,
I searched for the word negress, black.
It's not the language I would use
to describe myself and Black people today.
But when you're thinking from the standpoint
of 17th, 18th, 19th century,
kind of have to look at a lot of those different terms
and put them into collections
and sort of see what you can get.
Maybe combine that with sugar, for instance,
or different industries that were on plantations,
bananas, coconuts, that sort of thing,
just to kind of see any sort of results.
Definitely takes some time, I'll tell you that.
But it's there, fine.
All right, well, let me see.
I think we have a couple comments
that we can address.
Asabi Rich said,
I'm going to quote you on the impactful question
of how can knowledge about ourselves
be trusted when the knowledge,
the knowledge is in quotes,
is written against us.
Insight to make us think and be more critical
of whatever is put out there.
So that was a comment from Asabi Rich.
And, all right.
Well, it doesn't seem as though,
well, we have one, oh, another question.
Another question.
Oh, okay, you put it in here too.
All right, it's the same comment.
All right, well, if that is all of our questions,
then we will go ahead and finish.
Thank you all so much for joining us.
Ainsley, thank you so much for your presentation.
Thank you everyone for coming and hearing me speak.
I'll say one last thing.
This book was very instrumental.
It's called Energy Power,
The Criminalization of Obeah in the Anglophone Caribbean,
1750 through 2011.
So if anyone wants more information on that,
I would heavily, heavily recommend it.
Yeah, and is that book in your,
I'm sorry, is it in the resource list?
It is not actually, but I'll put it in there.
Yeah, when you put it in there,
I'll send it out to you guys.
So you all will have the link to that book as well.
So thank you all again for being here.
Thank you so much for joining us.
This event was recorded
and it will get sent to you via email
along with any additional resources.
I invite you to join us next week for Body and Soul,
a conversation with Jessica Johnson about slavery,
gender and the Atlantic world.
This event will take place on Wednesday,
February 17th at 5.30 PM Eastern Standard Time.
You can learn more about our upcoming events
by visiting www.librarycompany.org
slash calendar.
Thank you again for being here
and have a wonderful rest of your day.
Bye.
