“國有器官”特拉華州研討會 ‘State Organs’ Film Screening Panel Discussion in DE, USA

We're very fortunate to have Mr. Rick Jensen to host today's panel discussion. Rick is Delaware's award-winning talk show host from WDL Radio, 101.7 FM at 1150 AM, Delaware's number one news and talk radio station. Rick is ranked as one of the hundred most influential talk show hosts in America. He is the winner of many journalist awards and has been a great supporter to combat the workforce woman harvesting crime in China. Welcome, Rick. Yeah, people told me I don't need no translator here, so I don't need a microphone here. Few years ago, a coworker asked, why do you care about this? Said, you got any relations in China? I said, yeah, I do. So do you. It matters. Our panel, please, let's see, Dr. Lee, could that make it, is that correct? Can I talk to Lee? Okay, fine. I'll just, of course, raise your hand and people will know William Hwang. Thank you for being here. It's good to see you again, my friend. William is a Falun Gong practitioner and was a PhD candidate at China's prestigious, I'm going to say it wrong, each and every time I'm with you, I say it wrong, but it's always an honor to be with you and all of you, as a matter of fact. The Tsinghua University. Really? All right. Throughout all this horror, you're a little comedic, Lee. Simply, for him, his spiritual belief, his PhD, his study was interrupted and he was imprisoned for five years. William was lucky enough to flee China and come to USA in 2008 and he's now a senior engineer living in Pennsylvania. Dr. Jesse Uruso is the medical, I'm sorry, the mental health advisor for Dr. Uruso and that's a non-profit organization with the mission to educate the medical community and the public, all of us, to what's been happening, what is going on right now. I suppose I really shouldn't be saying that. There's no secret that this illicit organ harvesting is happening and happening right now. The problem is what to do about it and she knows how to help individuals as well as groups through all this as well. By the way, she's been nominated three times for a Nobel Peace Prize. What do you work in? Pardon me? What do you work in? She's got it. And recipient in 2019 of the Peace Memorial Award. And he's lived in two other countries before finding his home here in the United States. He's a board member for the Greater Philadelphia Falun Dafa Association, non-profit organization dedicated for sharing the beauty of traditional Chinese culture. And as a grandson of a Holocaust survivor, he deeply cares to raise awareness about persecution of Falun Dafa, Falun Gong practitioners in communist China. And it's a delight to have you here as well. We are here amongst people who have suffered greatly, more so than any of us in the world. And I've thought about this quite a bit and I really appreciate Paul Baumach and as well as Mike Ramone. And by the way, County Council also issued an ordinance a while back calling for an investigation. And Senator Chris Coons also forwarding legislation resolutions. And I wonder, as a Delawarean, why are we here, what do we do, what can we do? Well, what is it, over 70% of corporations are incorporated here in Delaware, in the United States? How many of them, and this is something that I've asked and pressed for for years, how many of these corporations are engaged in the manufacture or distribution of transplant surgery equipment? Shouldn't there be maybe a state law that would forbid the sale, the distribution of such equipment to communist China? So all these resolutions, in my mind, my opinion, are a start to get people aware. And quite honestly, there are a lot of questions I have asked and could ask, but what I'd like to know is, do any of you have any questions of any of our panelists? If so, please raise your hand. And, yes. The people who receive the organs, where are they coming from? Oh, there you go. Jessica, do you wanna take this one? Sure. Okay, he asked, where are these people who are getting the organs coming from? Yeah, great question. They're from all over. Many are from Asia, the Middle East, including the U.S. Still, we hear from surgeons from time to time. I have a patient who has an appointment to go to China to get a vital organ. Yeah, well, we're trying to, so there have been three states in the U.S. that have passed legislation that are prohibiting insurance companies from reimbursing for these procedures. Someone goes to China to get an organ. And then we have at least eight countries that have legislation trying to end this. So, preventing their citizens from going to China, getting a transplant, coming back, being reimbursed. And where does it, as a country, where does the United States stand? Well, the U.S. right now, we have the Female Organ Protection Act. You saw that at the end of the movie. So, that was passed in the House. The U.S. House of Representatives on June 25th. Now it's in the Senate. That was introduced in July. So, we're looking for co-sponsors. We're hoping that Senator Coons and Senator Carper will sign on. Senator Coons was on the Foreign Affairs Committee. So, we're very interested in having any of the senators from the Foreign Affairs Committee co-sponsor this resolution. So, this will actually provide sanctions against known criminals in this crime. And it will have, it has a reporting feature. So, that we know what's going on. So, right now, it's not transparent. We really don't know what's going on in China, who is doing these, how many. We have a general estimate, but we don't have the details. So, this bill, it passed into law, will provide that. It will also help the medical institutions in the U.S. be protected from complicity with China. Because right now, we are training Chinese physicians who will likely go back and commit these murders because we know the voluntary donation rate is very limited, 0.3%, which is about just over 300,000 people. We know the execution rate has been going down for years. That does not account for the huge numbers that they're doing. Just to put it in perspective, so China is doing between 60 to 100,000 transplants per year. The U.S. does about 45,000 at the most per year. And we have, in the movie, it said about 120 million on the voluntary donation list. We have about 145 million at this point. So, this is a huge difference, right? And in the U.S., you have to wait at least a year, two years, sometimes you never get your order in. So, we're complicit, and that's a huge problem. We weren't complicit. China would not have the power to do what it's doing. We have pharmaceutical companies. There are 29 in the Western nations, most of them are based in the U.S. They're supplying materials for China's transplantation. Then we have medical supply companies that are also supplying materials. So, we have a lot of institutions that are doing that. All right, question for Mr. Chang and our translator. And then I'll ask William the same question, and the question is this. What do you think it would take to end this genocide in Communist China? The only thing I can say is that the CCP's crime of living in organs has never been committed on this planet. So, I think I've seen this, it's really a crime that I've never seen before. It's a crime against humanity. It's organ transplantation is aimed at the whole world. It's a crime against the whole world's good people. And they're killing people, and actually they're opening the market to the whole world. Really, many, many people are being complicit to this crime. This is something that everyone knows. People all over the world know about it. This is something that has never been done before. So, as more people realize this is happening, I hope that more people will take notice of this, so that we can end this persecution. Now, in a limited situation, the Falun Gong practitioners have come forward to protect the Falun Gong practitioners. So, I'd like to ask you a few questions. There are certainly a lot of work to do, and one important step is the U.S. Falun Gong Protection Act. So, I hope you all can urge your senators to respond to the bill and let it pass. That will certainly be a step in the right direction. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you all. Thank you. This is not a political event. Thank God there are politicians here, because it's policy, as we hear, that needs to change. We have a candidate, a new candidate for U.S. Senator over there, Dr. Katz. We also have, like I said, Mike Ramone, who's sponsoring a resolution for this, which did not quite pass the House, but not the Senate. Dave Lawson, Republican, the Democrat, Chris Coons, Democrat who, I think, is not here, but he was with the Newcastle County Council. Many, many people, bipartisan, show support for this. And it's beyond me as to why such simple resolutions don't get passed. I don't know, Mr. Blunt, I'd like to ask you the same question. And then, Jessica, I think it might be right for me to ask you about why you think that these don't get passed the House, perhaps you as well. But what do you think it's going to take for this to stop? Yeah, sure, thank you. You know, for my personal opinion, I think every voice matters, every action matters. I can give you an example. When I was in jail in 2003, I experienced very great psychological pressure and also physical torture and abuses every day, every moment. And one day, the guard told me that he received a letter from the US, from a former practitioner of America. And the letter urged them to stop the prosecution from immediately and release all the practitioners in the jail immediately. Then the guard, you know, he showed that he's upset or angry of that letter, but in reality, the prosecution against me kind of got relieved somehow, someway in that short time period. So this is my personal story that, you know, this international pressure and really, really can help to relieve the pressure, to relieve the persecution inside. And this one way we can look at this kind of a question. Another way we look at it is the Chinese Communist Party, also in communism, is like a poison. It cannot change the problem by itself. It has to experience the pressure from outside. Also, you know, the awareness by all the people in the world is very crucial. And the good news right now, over 430 million Chinese people have quit the Chinese Communist Party and its affiliated organizations. This is a great deal. So more and more Chinese people, especially more Chinese people, are aware of the evil nature of the Chinese Communist Party and quit it. This is, you know, that will be a disaster for CCP. So in my opinion, you know, this crime, like false organ harvesting, this kind of a crime will not end until the Chinese Communist Party lose power in mainland China. You know, if the CCP collapse by itself, or I mean, if it collapse in China, then this crime, including false organ harvesting, will end eventually. Jesse, this seems like such an obvious and simple thing. From what? I'm not military, but I lived in Fayetteville, North Carolina, home of George Wright for many years. And even as recently after 1999, as 2001 or so, I was talking to a friend of mine there, George Wright, and they had heard about this. They had been stationed in and around China. So the Tribunal proves that this is happening. We have now two documentaries that are fairly well-known, but not well-known enough, proving this is happening. We have Mr. Chang, who is living proof with the story of this, here in this country. Why can't, why isn't there legislation right now preventing businesses from doing this kind of business with China and also preventing nationwide insurance companies from covering this? That is the question, right? It's a major, major question we're always asking ourselves. We're asking politicians and corporations, what is the holdup? I think a lot of it is money, you know, because there are so many corporations and governments tied into China. And I think they feel that they would lose too much. I think this is true for the transplant infrastructure in our country. I think it's true for the transplant infrastructure in many countries. They are so tied in. Doctors Against Forced Urban Harvesting was at the American Transplant Congress maybe a couple of times, but this last year we were blocked. They have tried to block us before, and they've never given us a good reason. And they actually tried to block another nonprofit with a similar mission. And all we can think is that they want to continue doing business with China. You know, years ago, when they came to Philadelphia, we had a booth there, and there was an Asian woman, well-dressed, she came up to our table, and she looked at our poster, and she paused, and she said, you're making us look bad. And I thought, well, if you're making you look bad, stop doing what you're doing. And then she said, we just need more time. So, her answer was very striking to me. I mean, I think it was an acknowledgment. But really what was so striking was that I had likely a mass murderer standing in front of me, and this was in Philadelphia, of all places, in the United States. So, the transplant community, they know what's happening, but they're turning a blind eye, because they want to continue to work with China. Alex, would you like to add to this? Yes, I want to add to that from a perspective of, as it was mentioned, my grandson was a Holocaust survivor. So, when my grandfather told this story later, I read a lot about it. The first reports in the United States, when they come out, they were saying it was the shower rooms, it wasn't the gas chambers. Until we will raise awareness to the point that that would mean mainstream media stop publishing bad things, and start opening up spreading the truth and not being afraid of losing their position in mainland China. Their reporters use us in other parts. That's going to be concealed. And it happened with the Holocaust. I believe it would happen with a strike against humanity, which is on the scale of the Holocaust, as we just heard. They write 6,100,000 of victims for 20-25 years. In my calculations, it's over 1.5 million of murdered people, and it could be much more. The other part is, if we all raise awareness, we have friends, family, relatives. This is how, initially, Kuala Lumpur was spread, because people loved it, they benefited with their help, and spread around the world, over 100 countries. I'm not Chinese, but I benefit from Kuala Lumpur a lot. My Jewish background doesn't prevent me from benefiting from it. I make sure that we help these wonderful Chinese people survive and thrive, and spread this truthfulness and compassion for parents, and then stop the persecution. Now, if we spread it to our friends, everybody, we're going to touch people's hearts. And a lot of these will be experiences, personal experiences, that when you are touched, you know what to do. Even the resolutions already passed happened that way, that people were touched, and great people like Rick, like our representatives, like others, they came, they saw, and then their hearts tell them what to do. This is what raises awareness, and eventually, there will be a critical mass, where no organization, no media, nothing can block it. But we need to run fast, speed up, because every day we lose somebody dies on the table that day. During this conversation, a couple of hours, multiple people were murdered in China for their organs. And I commend countries like Israel, where I lived for eight years, because of the patient who went to China to get a heart on an indicated day, they had a surgeon, a transplant surgeon for heart surgery, investigated that, brought it to PNASYF, which is a building in Harlem, here, and they banned transplantation nationwide. This is what the United States really needs to do, and we need to do it urgently. Yeah, go ahead. By the way, with the Israel bill, once that was passed, it became the law, it cut down anybody going to China from Israel, and then it also raised the voluntary donation by 300%. You know, so that's really amazing. I just also want to say that I think there's two things here. One, government officials are not getting any pressure, so pressure can often come from media. When things are being reported, people are seeing what's happening and they're getting upset, right? They know what's going on. But too many people don't know what's going on, because the media's not reporting it, and that's not by accident. Well, let me address that, because I'm just a local guy. I'm just a Delaware guy. But that's it. So, this, as well as the previous documentary that you all know about, should be on ABC, CBS, NBC, should be on Netflix, should be on Amazon Prime, should be everywhere, and should be heavily promoted. And I believe it should be broadcast. You know? So, I know you're very, the two of you are a board member of Falun Dafa, and you're out there promoting this all the time. Have you tried to get these on the networks? And what has been the response? Yeah. It's very limited. Because these are like corporations. They work with China. So, in fact, if they focus on this issue, they will not have access to China. There was a story years ago. A German journalist, who was based in Beijing, Didi Kirsten Katlow, she overheard some Chinese surgeons talking about using Balogun practitioners for an organ source. She went to her supervisor, and she said, I would like to publish this. He said, no, you can't do it. So, she ended up publishing a watered down version about executed prisoners being used as an organ source. And then she eventually left the paper. But that's the kind of thing that happens all the time. What about here? I mean, my gosh, you would think that, especially on some of these Sunday news programs, this would be an extraordinary story. It's the same thing. Wherever you're based, everybody wants to work with China. It's a huge market. You don't get access to any other sources. You can't be based in China. The New York Times was banned from having any access in China until they started reporting negatively on Balogun. So, that's huge. And the other thing I think is important here as to why people are not taking steps towards ending this is the genocide that they talked about in the movie. So, any government that wants to enact genocide, they often start with the media. And they use heavy propaganda. All the media in China is state-run, but they've also done it internationally by pressuring Western journalists and by having inserts that also include the propaganda. And so, people, government officials, doctors, they have this negative idea about Balogun where they're not even human. They're subhuman, and they're not worthy of the kinds of rights like normal people have. Same thing they did during World War II against the Jews. So, this is what any government does, and this has been very, very powerful. And I was meeting recently with the Senate office. They had this crazy idea about these kinds of prejudices that Balogun practitioners have. And they said, we can't sign a bill that's going to support Balogun specifically because they're prejudiced. And I said, that is ridiculous. What about alternate streaming services? So, I mean, is Vice TV even around anymore? I don't know. It's on a YouTube channel. Things like that, you know. Have you tried some of these? Yes, you have. It's frustrating. And deadly. Yes, absolutely. Right, because our silence means that people are being killed. And it is one to two per hour that are being killed for open transgender. Maybe I want to add one more thing. Amazon Prime had some of the documentaries available, and some of them still there. But as soon as they published a lot of times either a nice article or documentary, other part. There is something called Trolls on the internet, where they send army. In Chinese Communist Party it's called 50 cent army because they pay you 50 cents or whatever amount for every negative post to destroy the person, the organization or whatever overseas. And they would swarm and then basically bad ratings or other part to put it down or somehow discredit it. And that's been done across the board to many articles, documentaries and other efforts. We tried to do screening in a university. I graduated from Rutgers University. There were Chinese students I don't know how many of them were students or agents or whatever but they were petitioning outside that this is against China. No, it is against CCP but it is for China. We are actually supporting Chinese people for their freedom. But of course it exposes Chinese Communist Party in a very bad light. So they were told to do that. It's a very sad situation. Does anybody have a question? Can you print this out? Take a picture of me. What are the chances of defeating the Communist Party in China? What are the chances of defeating the Communist Party in China? Can I maybe just start with one comment? After the Holocaust the Nazism or Fascism was exposed and put on a public trial. That helped. If we do the same with the Communism today put it on a public trial and expose every single thing that happened because of the Communism. In China alone according to the Victims of Communism memorial over 80 million people were killed, murdered through years of peace. If we expose it if we put Communism on trial that will help first people who didn't understand and decouple and second put this immeasurable pressure for them to stop and eventually collapse because they don't have support of their own people. Do the Chinese people have the will? I think he's talking about the international response Do the Chinese people have the will? Yeah, that's a good question. One bad thing is the CCP is very good at brainwashing. They brainwash every Chinese people from a very young age even Peter Garland. They teach them only CCP can save China. A lot of the propaganda a lot of this brainwashing stuff. So generally it's very hard for the majority of Chinese people to rise up to try to overthrow this kind of regime because anyway it's very hard. You heard about 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre, right? That is a democratic movement but eventually cut down by CCP. They have two ways. One is violence another way is propaganda. CCP is very good at this kind of thing. Alex bring a very good book Non-commentaries on the Communist Party after this panelist came here to look at this book or you can order on Amazon or whatever. It's a very good book to talk about the evil nature of the CCP. So I believe as we mentioned more and more people breathe through this kind of brainwashing be aware of the evil nature of the CCP then we will feel. That is very important. Thank you. Dave, you have a question? Comment first of all Can you hear me down there? Alright, first of all let me go back to the Senate and the resolution. I was a sponsor in the Senate. And Senator Townsend came to me and said we're not going to run it. I said why? He said well it's going to damage our relationship with China. I said what relationship? What are you speaking of? He said well we have a good rapport with China. We don't want to mess that up. And we want to keep from ruffling any feathers. So he would not put it on the agenda. Wait a minute. You're talking about Brian Housen and Bill Patten? Yeah. Senator Brian Patten's relationship with China? Maybe it is. I don't know. Because I've been a Delawarean for years. I've been involved in a lot of resolutions, legislation and like Senator Lawson was saying, he was going to initiate a resolution several years ago that got blocked. And Representative Ramon raised it again this year and used his leverage, whatever that is to push through the House but completely blocked in the Senate. And Senator Lawson was saying it's been blocked for years. However, in 2006 when the issue first came out Senator Sokolam was the Senator who initiated this resolution working with me and passed it in the Senate in our state and calling this a genocide. Calling for the State Department and the White House to investigate. Take it very seriously and took the action of the first state. Our first state took the action and it was the first state in the whole United States that our state took the action and had a stand on it. Now, 18 years has passed. In our state in our home state, a resolution like this has been blocked. So, when we ask the question why this is not seen in the news why we're allowing this our state is allowing this. And Senator Sokolam is the same person who initiated the resolution back in 2006 now is the President of the Senate he is blocking it. So, unfortunately, that's the story that we're seeing in the past maybe, I don't know, recent years. It's very unfortunate that this is happening. It's very crucial for us to first sign the petition we have the petition in the back and the other thing, we really appreciate that you personally write and contact, call, Senator Coombs to have him to put a stand on this Falun Gong Protection Act. He's a pioneer, he's in the Foreign Relations Committee he is a leader in the Senate about human rights especially human rights in China. His office was the one that we need to hear from our constituents. Senator Sokolam is very supportive he is the initiator for Stop Organ Harvesting Act it's another bill currently in the Senate passing the House, blocking the Senate right now. He's the initiator but he hasn't put his name on this Falun Gong Protection Act yet. His assistant has been asking me we submitted over 200 petitions from our constituents that hasn't been able to move Senator Coombs with his name on this particular bill as Jessica was saying this bill is very powerful it's protecting in major the victim's group from getting persecuted and harvested with their organs. This is what we can do our voters can change the tide our voters are very powerful I'm very hopeful that you folks can make the change have your voice heard. Senator Lawson, you want to say something because you're initiating this thing in the Senate. A couple of things if I may certainly the Senate resolution back was blocked by Senator Townsend with the idea that we have a good relationship with China, Middletown. No further questions. But my concern is we're looking about getting it out in publication. Wait a minute why does China own farmland in this country? Let's go there and quit buying hats and all these other things. Everything I pick up that says made in China I put it down. We cannot do that. By supporting the economy we are complicit in this behavior. This is impossible to continue. We've got to stop it, we've got to take a stand. It's just not the voting we can do it economically just one grain at a time but it makes an impact. We have to do that. This movie is just absolutely well, like the Holocaust. We can't believe that. This is why I don't believe it. Humans don't do that to humans. Really? Law enforcement, 27 years, I can tell you the most vicious animal out there is a human being. And you see it right here. We can stop it but we have to do a multi-pronged it can't just be legislation because legislation has no teeth. Economy has teeth. Senator, that really addressed my question. If there is legislation that bans that sort of trafficking of medical equipment, surgical equipment, or transplants with communist China is that or is that not two of the problems? The executives branch of the government will not enforce the rules. The laws are passed and they selectively enforce laws. Look at Kathy Jennings. She selectively enforces laws. That's the executive branch that is hurting us. We can pass law after law after law and there's no teeth. But if the governor's office says we're going to do this then it changes? It doesn't happen. If you have a governor that says we're going to enforce this. If we have a governor the current administration in the last 14 years that I've been in doesn't have the backbone to stand up and say you the people, I hear. We need someone who can hear and will hear. We have a few in the room, one particularly right now, my cat doesn't listen enough. Any other questions? Yes? I want to throw this back to you because I don't think you're as loud as I am. I'm just taking it all in and I guess from a younger perspective here, I grew up with social media. I just got on the TikTok train. I'm 31 years old and I'm like what are these kids talking about? But with that being said my news feed blew up with Israel, Palestine, genocide. We kept seeing that word over and over and I am not taking away from anything that's happening in the Middle East and my heart goes out to all the innocent people there but with this happening for years and my group of friends, my generation has always joked about China. This isn't anything really new We talk about concentration camps and labor camps that have been in China. People know about it but why? It says what can we do, sure but why do we joke about China as a country? Or globally, why does nobody take China so serious as to being an actual Holocaust that we're living in? Does that make sense? I think it goes back to some of the propaganda and other parts When we start as a country, and by the way I'm new to this country so I'm learning I'm learning and I'm respecting and I'm learning history founding fathers and many principles this country was founded on In my experience, I was born in Ukraine then lived in Israel, then came here Both countries now are engrossed in the war I have personally people, my family, my friends who suffer there This is the best country to be right now The most free countries still get standing but even this country gets benefited a lot by the communist evil ideology that is destroying from the young generations to the older ones for many years So I think what we need to do is we need to start relating There was an interesting story from the Holocaust time when one Christian, there was a book written he talked about when Hitler came after mentally ill people I was quiet I thought it's just them, there was some reason there then he came after disabled people and that was quiet then he came after Jews and then I realized when he didn't come after me nobody will stand by me because he already destroyed everybody else So we need to start speaking out right now be loud and relate personally to what is happening in China because it's not that far away our neighbor could be a more professional colleague, best friend So how can we take an action blow it up like you said, I agree with you we know about it, just many people so desensitized and so not understanding I think Martin Luther King Jr. once said injustice anywhere is a threat justice everywhere and this interconnected world we all are affected and we all are going to be impacted if communism gets a hold here so we need to resist we need to speak up we need to bring communism formally openly and then I reached one of the points Any guests? Just a follow up suggestion have you gotten any information with Joe Rogan on his podcast? Yeah, well he's not the number one podcaster you know, Joe Rogan is going to reach millions of people Thank you, TikToker No, no, no, I am not a TikToker I love him Any other questions? Yes Fundamental question, what's the difference between Balm and Dafa? I can try to answer and then William will correct me so when Balm and Dafa became public so it's deeply rooted in traditional Chinese culture think about 5,000 years of civilization passed from single teacher to disciple many years, there were multiple practices one of them was Balm and Dafa it was introduced to the public at that time communism was already fully blown, controlled in the country and they banned any spiritual movements and people got really sick at that time because there's no morality, full corruption top to bottom, people start getting sick and they start thinking how can we revert it so they allowed something called healing movements like healing method at that time it was called Qi Gong you probably heard, Qi Gong, like energy and then there was a boom of energies in China at that time and then Balm Gong was introduced as Balm Gong Qi Gong, type of direct healing and all understanding that you can recover your body but actually it was a traditional Chinese culture revival they called it Virtues that you could fall into in everyday life think about how this works to be a better person everyday, etc so that's why originally it was introduced in Balm Gong but the name is Balm Dafa this is why it has too many yeah, he explained to me 20 times and I still don't get it, so any last question? real quick question have you ever heard of any of your I think just my general thoughts there are multiple groups in general who are exposing this first as a persecution, but as an organ harvesting we mentioned that Senator Coons introduced STOG, Organ Harvesting Act the reason why we push from both sides, one is general organ harvesting, but second is Balm Gong because Balm Gong is considered in China a topical topic this is the topic that's gonna topple Chinese Communist Party because they are so involved and directly build their regime and protect it from persecution of Balm Gong now, if that will be exposed then it's gonna benefit every single organ when happening organ harvesting, whether it's against Uyghurs, Tibetans, Austrians, everybody will benefit if it's gonna stop, so yes we do it from generic way we support organ harvesting, but we need to tackle specifically Balm Gong because what happens is, Balm Gong topic is what Chinese Communist Party is afraid of and it's put down and this is one of the reasons why they try to block it anytime you can talk about smaller persecutions in China if you bring Balm Gong, it's a taboo topic they walk away, because they don't want to touch it, they don't want to do anything with it, and they try to block it directly so this is a topic that helps to break through, because this is where the most vulnerable, that's my personal opinion ok, anything else? well I want to let you know that it is an honor to know you and to have been involved in conversations with you, formally and informally and I invite you to share that honor and take a look at some of the materials they have and introduce yourself, if it's Alex Jessica, William Mr. Cheng and thank you very much applause one last word from Cindy so before we leave, folks can somebody give out petition forms and I highly recommend, as I said before contact them, the center in person, because they count they count how many constituents are contacting them directly and express their opinion so please make a call go to our website and send them an email send them a note on our website