REPLAY: Secretary Mullin Highlights Multi-State Operation Targeting Illegal Immigrant CDL Holders

Thank you. Thank you guys for being here. I wanted to highlight an operation that we just finished with 15 different states. It was called Operation Guardian. It was a 72-hour, 15-state operation targeting illegal aliens with unauthorized CDLs and public safety threats in the trucking industry. Now, we've all sat here and talked multiple times about the danger that we have when you have states like California and New York that issue CDLs to individuals that are not qualified to drive. I don't know why it's even controversial to be having this conversation. I don't know why this is something that we have to continue to do. It should be really simple for these states to be able to revoke these driver's licenses that they issued and tens of thousands of them. Thank you. And just in this operation, once again, we find a CDL driver that was issued a driver's license from California, and he came in across the Mexico border from India. It gave his first name and the last name to say no name given. How is that even possible? How are you even able to get an ID, any type of ID, and say no name given? Much less. Driving a semi on the road and putting the lives at risk of the people around you. And it's frustrating because we see this all the time. We constantly see the behavior of illegal activity taking place. And when you have these states. That continued to push this Democrat policy agenda. What you end up having is you have a safe haven created for criminal activity. It's a melting pot for criminal activity. And every life that is lost at the hands of an illegal is a life that was 100% preventable from disrupting the family. It's frustrating to me because... We fight these sanctuary cities, these sanctuary states constantly, and we shouldn't be doing this. As I said multiple times, the Department of Homeland Security is out there protecting our homeland. We don't make the laws. We enforce the nation's laws. Congress is the one that makes the laws. They pass the laws, and we enforce them. We're not picking and choosing which laws we enforce. We simply enforce them. And when you see companies like Milton Trucking right here in... This is in Catoosa, technically, but we say Tulsa, Oklahoma. That's a reputable company, a company that does things the right way. And then you see other trucking companies out there that want to do everything they can to create disruption in the industry, hire illegals, run down the rates of actual legal drivers. They don't actually pay the insurance. You take them off the road, they simply change the DOT number on the side of the truck, change the names, and they're back on the road the next day. They absolutely wreak havoc on actually companies that are doing it right. And what we're trying to do through the Department of Homeland Security, our partners with state, local officials, is we're trying to restore law and order again. We're trying to take these unsafe drivers off the road. But as you will hear when Tim Tipton visits in a second, we do a lot more than just taking CDL drivers off the road. But it's not possible without the partnership we have across the country. We can restore law and order, especially when we have cooperation. Under President Trump's agenda, he made it very clear he was going to bring America back. And you do that by restoring law and order. 2% of the population is responsible for 90% of the nation's crimes. When you have Democrat policies that have released over 20 million individuals illegally into this country, that's not humanitarian purposes. As I said before, that's a melting pot for criminal activity. Over that 20 million individuals that were released in this country, we've already located 2,168 known terrorists. Think about that. That because of the Democrat policies of open border, Wanted to defund the Department of Homeland Security, wanted to get rid of ICE, wanted to have CBP defunded. You go, you allow those individuals in this country and you're okay with that? You can't explain that kind of behavior. This 2,168 terrorists were at least in this country, most of them underneath a different name. Wasn't even checked, no biometrics. Came across and said, okay, we'll parole you in the country, show up for a court date in eight to nine years. Here's a work permit. Go get a CDL and drive on the road. Be safe. Don't hurt anybody. Oh, don't worry about learning to speak English. Don't worry about reading. You'll be okay. You'll figure it out. And it puts the lives of individuals in danger. What's controversial about making sure that you can read and write and you can understand law enforcement commands? What's controversial about making sure when you come into this country that you do it the right way? What's controversial about honestly following our nation's laws? We can't have national security if we don't have border security. You can't have national security if you don't know who's in your country. It doesn't work that way. And because of our partnership with great states like Oklahoma, which bats way above their weight when it comes to the 287G program, when we partner with states like this, we're able to bring in law and order and make sure that people in our cities and towns and all across our state can walk in their communities and feel safe. And that's our goal. I've said this from the beginning when I first got the privilege of working as the Secretary of Homeland Security, that I'm going to protect my backyard just like I protect yours, regardless of the blue state or it's a red state. We're going to protect our highways the same, regardless if it's a blue state or it's a red state. We are simply doing our job, and we're happy to do it. And we do that underneath the leadership of President Trump because of the directive he's given us, the tools, and the backing. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Russell, who is our acting ICE director. I think you cover Texas and Oklahoma too, right? So with that, I'll let you speak. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Certainly, thank you for the opportunity to chat with you today. My name is Russ Hott. I oversee ICE's Public Safety Partner Division, which oversees the 287G program. And I also want to thank our hosts here at Melton Trucking and certainly for our partnership with the entire state of Oklahoma and the Department of Public Safety. Couldn't ask for better partners anywhere in the country. I will say, folks, that the trucking industry serves as the backbone for America's critical infrastructure, facilitating the transportation of goods and services to locations nationwide. However, there are foreign trucking companies that have taken advantage and exploited regulatory loopholes along the way. And I'm proud to say that Immigration and Customs Enforcement is targeting those illegal drivers with unauthorized CDLs. And we are doing it in partnership with our state and local officials and partners in the 287G program. Beginning in fiscal year 2025 and continuing through fiscal year 2027, ICE has continued to arrest illegal aliens with commercial vehicle driver's licenses in states like California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, and Maryland. These aliens committed egregious crimes including drug trafficking, theft, burglary, sexual assault, child abuse, domestic battery, prostitution, fraud, Many, many DUI convictions overall. Happy to say that the proud women of ICE are sworn to apprehend those individuals who not only violate the immigration laws of the United States, but also violate criminal laws and create public safety threats nationwide. Our focus on arresting individual CDL drivers. Uh, has been final orders of removal. These are individuals who had their day in court, who had due process and the opportunity to, uh, present additional evidence. They were ordered, removed and refused to go. And, uh, that work is going to continue with our 287 G partners around the nation between Between January 2025 and October 31, 2025, ICE conducted over 4,800 CDL. operations resulting in the arrest of 1,243 CDL holders. During the same time frame, ICE arrested over 710 CDL individuals in Oklahoma alone. That statistic is astonishing to me. But we're doing this in partnership through a couple of different operations. Operation Guardrail, which we began in September of this year. And will continue through the end of the year as a nationwide enforcement effort focused on commercial vehicles in violation of U.S. laws. As of October 31st, ICE has arrested over 300 of those aliens through this operation. I don't want to steal Tim's thunder, but Operation Guardian, which was a huge success and attributable to the Department of Public Safety here. I had made great inroads with our other state partners, over 200 arrests, including 40 unauthorized CDL operators. So folks, we'll just say that we are proud of the partnership, proud of the good work that takes place in the 287 program, and really appreciate that. Good morning. I'm Tim Tipton, Commissioner of Public Safety here in Oklahoma. Alma. Again, I want to just highlight some of the areas of enforcement that we had this past week. Of course, Oklahoma, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, Department of Public Safety, we've been operating under a 287(g) agreement with ICE. For a little over a year, we did our first CMV illegal immigration operation in September of last year. So we're about 14 months into doing these types of operations. We've done them at every one of our ports of entry around the state. And what we started seeing was as soon as our troopers would show up on location at one of our ports of entry and begin a special emphasis looking for these illegal truck drivers, our intel analysts would immediately start seeing social media posts and things like that from the east and west coast. Telling each other that, hey, Oklahoma's back at it again, you know, divert, go around Oklahoma. So we knew that this was a problem and that the illegal truck drivers would just end up going around us. So we reached out to 14 other states and asked them if they would be willing to do the same type of enforcement effort that we're going to do at the same time. And so we were able to gather, like I said, 14 other states that operated at the same time to prevent this simply trying to divert around Oklahoma. It was successful. Like was mentioned, over 230 illegal immigrants were taken into custody. Over 40 of those were driving commercial motor vehicles, operating them at the time. You know, this is a huge public safety issue in Oklahoma. When it comes to somebody driving an 80,000-pound truck, has not been trained properly, can't read and speak English, you know, and we've seen the devastating effects of this around the country. So it's our obligation as one of our primary functions of the Highway Patrol to try and prevent these types of acts. It just so happens that when we start doing these operations, We run across people who also have, it's not just that they're here illegally or just that they're driving a truck and they're untrained and shouldn't even be in the truck, but we find other criminal conduct as well. Numerous of these folks that we took into custody on this operation and all of our previous operations have felony warrants out for them. They have domestic assault cases multiple DUI cases, so a lot of them have... More than just being here illegally, they've also got other criminal history. Then we always run across individuals that are doing other things at that moment criminally illegal. Just during this operation, we had a trooper that stopped a vehicle that had six occupants in it. One of the occupants in the vehicle was a juvenile female. She had entered into the country. As an unaccompanied minor back under the Biden administration, obviously nobody knew where she was at. And the vehicle she was in, there were individuals who already had current investigations for human trafficking going on. All of these people had removal orders and were here illegally and were also being investigated for human trafficking. And obviously it's the worst case scenario when you find an underage female with them. We had another stop where a trooper stopped an individual who was in a stolen vehicle. As the trooper went to arrest that individual, he assaulted the trooper. The trooper suffered a dislocated elbow and a broken arm. The individual was able to escape his custody and fled. It resulted in about a four-hour manhunt in southern Oklahoma. We ended up finding the individual and able to take him into custody. He not only was here illegally, he had methamphetamine in his possession, the vehicle was stolen, and he was illegally here out of the country of Honduras. When we do these operations, something that's amazing to me, not only the number of people driving these trucks who are untrained, unvetted, we don't know what their intent is, and obviously they're not trained to drive. But the countries that they come from, you know, I could just give you Armenia, Brazil, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Peru, Ukraine. These are all individuals from just this operation, and that's not even the complete list of countries that they've come here. Most of them crossed the border. During the Biden administration, and were released, as the secretary said, on parole and given a permit, and then they've gone and gotten these licenses. So we feel it's critical to do these operations. Thank you. This is the first one that this many states, to my knowledge, have participated in at the same time. And our goal is to continue to do these until either the trucking companies that are hiring these people. The brokers that are using these trucking companies that are not professional go out of business, and we take every one of these untrained, illegally here people out of driving these trucks and putting all of our motoring citizens in jeopardy. So we're appreciative of the companies like Melton and professional companies that support this and help us do this good work. So thank you to Secretary Mullen and to ICE for being with us. This entire way through this process. Thank you, Tim. Just to go through that list, Armenia, Brazil, China, Colombia, Cuba, El Salvador, Georgia, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, India, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Mongolia, Peru, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Venezuela. So when people say it's just for Mexico, it's not Mexico. It's from all over the world. These individuals came over and they're putting those that are driving on the road with them in jeopardy. I want to go back and talk a little bit about this young lady that was, this young girl that was let into this country underneath the Democrats' rule with the Biden administration and their policies. They released 450,000 unaccompanied children into the hands of unvetted Sponsors. Some sponsors are receiving 20 to 40 kids. Since I was first sworn in as secretary, we made this a huge emphasis. Under President Trump's leadership, he says, what do you need? He says, let me stand up a group working with DOJ, HSI, local partners, state partners. Give us the funding, the resources to go find these kids. Because the Democrats wasn't worried about it. They didn't care. They didn't go after them. 450,000 kids. We have now located 160,000 plus in a very short time. We've got a whole department stood up just to do this with a task force, with partners all across the states, except, except in some of our blue states that absolutely refused to work with us. This 17-year-old that was traveling with six males in this country illegally, either with criminal records or had final deportation orders, traveling from Arizona across country, we've been looking for her. Because of this operation, we're able to locate her. Can you imagine what this young girl, 17, had been trafficked for years, has went through, and you still want to say that sanctuary policy is a good thing? If that doesn't break your heart, I don't know what does. If that doesn't wake you up, then what does? That should make everybody, that should piss everybody off. I don't care if you're Republican, Democrat, Independent, I don't care who you are. The Democrats that were in charge of this, my opinion should be held liable for it. That's just my rant. I'm going to stop a second, breathe, and just, I want to highlight this truck behind me. When I got out of the motorcade a while ago, my friend Bob Peterson, who I've known for years, when we were still operating the company in here and trying to grow it every day, Bob, I considered someone as a mentor because he was a very successful person. And when you're young and thriving and trying to grow a company, you want to surround yourself with people that's been there, done that, and can grow a company. And you have a tremendous amount of lessons learned. So I knew Bob before I was in politics. And I'm not going to say he agrees with all my decisions because he doesn't, but he also is a friend. But when I stepped out, I noticed some of the trucks. And he said, I said, all your trucks are blue, but I see some that are different colors. He said, yeah, he said, the ones that are different colors, when my drivers meet a million miles of safe driving, we let them choose whatever color they want. I said, well, what about these trucks? He says, oh, that's for our veterans. We try to hire as many veterans as we can, and when we hire a veteran, we want to wrap the truck. That's what patriotism looks like. That's what pride in this country looks like. That's somebody that loves this country, because this country gave him an opportunity to be successful. And the veterans are out there that are fighting every single day for our Constitution. That's called honoring them. And as our veterans protected us from foreign adversaries, Department of Homeland Security, we fight every single day to protect the homeland. We consider it a partnership. And I just wanted to highlight that because I think that's pretty dang cool. That's something that I bet you these illegal trucking companies, they don't do. Because they don't respect our laws. They do everything to go around our laws. They don't respect our veterans, but Belton Trucking does. So with that, I'll stop. I want to open it up for questions. Hold on one more second. You didn't talk about actually what happened when you guys apprehended the Honduras guy. When the troopers saw this guy driving on the side of the road, This is what our state troopers... Do all the time. Not just in Oklahoma, but especially in Oklahoma. I'm kind of fond of Oklahoma, you know. You know? But a trooper recognized this guy driving kind of slow on the shoulder and thought he was going to pull over and just check him to see if he was breaking down. He ran the tag and found out the tag was from a stolen vehicle. He goes up and tries to apprehend the guy. The guy gets in a fight with him and actually breaks the trooper's arm. That's fighting for your life from an illegal that shouldn't be in this country to begin with. He goes on the run, and they take us four hours to locate him in a tree. He was climbing a tree like a coward coon. That's a raccoon, by the way. And they had to get him out of the tree. The guy should never have been here, should have never been in this country, and yet we had to fight and hunt for him to begin with. Our troopers and our men and women in law enforcement do that every single day to protect you and to protect us, but yet the Democrats still want to defund the police all the time. So with that, I'll stop, and I'll open up for questions. Please introduce yourself when I'm talking to you, except Randy, I know who you are. Go ahead, Randy. No, that was this week. That was last week, actually. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. It was led by a partnership with Tim Tipton and ICE and our other federal partners. And through Oklahoma, we helped organize the program that they basically started. They were very successful almost a year ago. And I think what Russell was telling you earlier is they've taken, in a year, we've taken 710. Right here in Oklahoma, 710 illegal CDL drivers off the road through their operations. One of their first operations was over a year ago, where in a very short period of time, I think you took 90. That was over by El Reno or Elk City, Clayton, Elk City on I-40, hitting just the trucks coming, obviously running east to west. And no, west to east, west to east, west to east. And just in a very short period of time, they took 90 drivers off the road. In fact, they took somebody who wasn't prepared for it. Because I remember at that time, I was in the Senate. And we were having trouble finding yards to put them and tow trucks to come get them, buses to come pick the drivers up. I mean, it was surprisingly. How how successful was and then we've taken that we as the state has taken that and push it out through through the state's leadership with Tim Tipton leading. They've taken it out and and showed other states how to do it in this operation. We had 14 states that that worked with us to make sure because what we were noticing and Tim alluded this is that. When we would start the operations, we, I keep putting myself in the middle of it, I wasn't part of the operation. When Tim and our federal partners through ICE and HSI, when we would start the operation, we would start seeing the traffic, meaning online, and they would start telling drivers to divert around Oklahoma. And, uh, and after their second operation is when Tim Tipton and I sit down and talked about it, we got DOT involved. Of course, at that time I wasn't in this position. We got DHS involved and we started figuring out how we could work with other States to keep it from keep people from going around us. And then once I became secretary, it was a lot easier to help organize that. Um, Tim took the lead and we had 15 other States that cooperated in the three-day operation. We expect to do this throughout the country over and over again. So is someone that can't pass the reading exam, can't pass the English exam, can't pass the written exam, someone that I said before, Randy, was given a CDL in a lot of these cases with simply no name given? Um, uh, you can't even tell, you know, the classes they supposedly taken was them getting in a truck and driving forward and backwards for a short period of time. I mean, I'm being a little bit facetious, but I'm actually not in some cases we've made it very clear department of transportation made it very clear that you've got to be able to read, write, and speak English to build a B to have a CDL. If you don't pass those qualifications, you shouldn't even be in the truck to even begin your driving test. New York and California were the worst at giving these illegals these driver's licenses. Thank They were in the country illegally. They should never have had a CDL commercial driver's license to begin with. And when you can't even get a real name off of them, I think that should throw red flags for everybody. you I don't know if anybody would disagree with that. But if you can't even get the real name of the individual, very how are you supposed to know who they are? Yes, absolutely. LPRs, legal permanent residents, much. those on work visas here, they can get CDLs, but they have to pass, they got to be able to speak English, they got to be in the country legally, they got to be able to read, they got to be able to write, and they got to be able to pass the driving test. Yes, sir. Since Tim organized that, I'll let Tim take that question. Yeah, so we initially reached out. Through, you know, our, my office and the chief of the patrol, we reached out to the state patrol, whether it be a highway patrol or a state police in a lot of these other states. So we reached out to Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, to kind of give an area across the country, north to south. Then we had numerous states to the east that participated with us. So Arkansas, Louisiana. Ohio, Indiana, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and, you know, Texas, Missouri. So our goal was to really try to stop this diverting. You know... Some of those states are highly participants in the 287G program already. So other states, this was kind of their first time to do this type of an operation. I think with the success of it and them seeing how much of a public safety nexus this is, I think as we move forward and do more of these operations, you'll see even greater numbers and greater participation. The good news is we are seeing the numbers decline. I mean, literally, the first operation we did September a year ago, over 50% of the commercial motor vehicles, the semis that we stopped, it was somebody who was untrained and unvetted and here illegally driving that truck. Now we're down to where it's a much lower percentage. So that's good news to us, but we're not going to let up on it. We're going to keep doing it as long as we're still finding them out there. To give that percentage as... Tim was saying, Commissioner Tim Tipton was saying, 50% a year ago. And today, on this operation, we inspected 1,005 trucks, so 1,005 trucks. Thanks very much. And we got 40 illegals that were having an illegal driver's license, illegal CDLs off the road. So we do see that number drop, but one's one too many. One, we'll put every life that's on the road around that individual at risk, and we have too many angel families in this country to begin with, and my goal is to get that number down to zero. You shouldn't be driving a commercial truck. You shouldn't be in this country if you're illegally. And I don't care if you've been here two years, five years, or 15 or 20 years. If you entered the country illegally, you chose to go around our immigration laws that Congress set, not DHS. Congress made the laws. We enforce them. You chose to say, I'm more important than everybody else that's doing it legally, which we have people legally enter this country every single day. Do it the legal way. And our job is to hunt you down and send you back to your country, period. Either you follow our immigration policy or you don't. Those that want to gripe at us for doing our job, they have the ability to change the laws. If you change the laws, Department of Homeland Security will enforce those laws too. Right now, we enforce our laws that are on the books, and we don't pick and choose. What else? Go ahead. I don't think at this point it's caught off guard. I think we had a good conversation with the roundtable a while ago, is that every time we take these individuals off the road, we put these companies in notice. And that's why you're seeing a lot of them come off the roads right now because it affects them. It affects our customers. We want to inform the customers. So not only do we inform the driver or the company that hired the driver, but the cargo that's being shipped, we'll actually inform them as well too. Um, because they don't want to be caught up in this either. They actually put themselves at risk because you see a lot of the times when an illegal driver has an accident, that it's not just the company that's hauling the load, but the company, but the load itself, where the inventory is coming from actually will get sued too. So it's in everybody's best interest not to have these individuals on the road. And we want to make sure they know that at some point, if we see repeat offenders, Uh, that can constantly are hiring these drivers. Um, or you see loads that are constantly brokering with these, with these guys, we will eventually go after them. And we have done that. What else? I think I saw him come up over here. I thought, yes. Oh, Randy, I'll get you next. I saw you go ahead. Go ahead. I already called on you. I'll get to Randy. It doesn't take, it doesn't take policy. Just enforce our nation's laws. Don't be a safe haven for criminal activity. Don't be stupid. I mean, why would you put criminals in front of your constituents? Why would you create a melting pot for criminal activity? You think it's just the CDLs that are going out there? When we talk about, let's use New York, for example. New York, we have over 16,000 detainers. That means these detainers means these are individuals that are currently locked up. Or have already been released by the state of New York or by the city. We say, hey, you got an individual locked up that's in this country legally, release them. Out of those 16,000, it represents 52,000 felony charges. Out of those 52,000 charges, 131 of them are murderers. 132 of them are rapists. And the list goes on to child predators and everything else. And you're going, why is that controversial? There is no policy that needs to be changed. All they need to do is enforce our nation's laws. Quit being a safe haven for criminal activity. We'll work with you. And that's why seven of the top safest cities in the country partner with the Department of Homeland Security. We can make your cities and states safe, and we can do it in a way that doesn't disrupt law-abiding citizens. It disrupts criminal organizations. That's what we're going after, criminal organizations, individuals that want to take advantage of law-abiding citizens. And unfortunately, as the president said multiple times, it's only 2% of the population. So policy, there is policy on the books. It's called our laws, our nation's laws. Just enforce them. That's it. Ready? It won't affect me at all. I hope they don't get in charge of the House and the Senate, but I'm enforcing our nation's laws. As I said, it's very, very clear. If they want to change the laws, they can change the laws and we'll enforce those nation's laws too. Nothing I do should be controversial. I'm enforcing the laws that they pass and they want to complain about. If they want to change it, they change it. Until they change it, that's fine. I'm still going to enforce the nation's laws. So it doesn't matter who's in charge. The House and the Senate, I'm still doing my job. And there's nothing they can do to prevent me from doing my job. And if they want to talk about which laws they don't want me to enforce, then my question back to them is, then pass it. Pass it. Put it on the president's desk and see if he'll sign it. That's why we have checks and balances through our legislative system, a place I served 13 years. The reason why immigration policy really hasn't been totally reformed since 1959 is because it's hard to do. And Department of Homeland Security, we're here to protect our nation. That's our job, to protect the homeland. I'll never be apologetic about it, and I'll never back down, and we'll never stop doing that job. Yes, ma'am. Our state enforces our nation's laws, and you can see, like, Milton Trucking and all the other trucking companies that surround Tulsa, which has been here for years. We can fit that need. We can hire drivers, but we're going to do it in a legal way. And I don't care what industry you're in, you want to hire legal drivers and you want to hire reputable companies like Milton Trucking. Milton Trucking will be there hauling supplies in and hauling supplies out. There'll be other companies that pop up too. Thank you. I believe the smelting plant is going to bring in a huge influx of economic benefits to this part of the state. It's a huge national security benefit that we have. This smelting plant will be responsible We're increasing our smelting by 50% in our country. That means we're not going to have to import and bring that in. It's going to have just the secondary companies that are going to be working at the plant, not just building it, but continue with the maintenance and the amount of employees it's going to hire and all the community benefits it's going to bring in. I think it's going to be a huge plus. I'm from rural Oklahoma. I grew up in a small town called Westville, graduated from Stilwell. Oh, well. I think every parent wants an opportunity for their kids to make a very good living right where they live without having to move away. I mean, that's our goal. My family's been in the same spot since the late 1830s. And I was raised there. My kids were raised there until just recently. And when you have industry willing to invest in your backyard, that's exciting because it brings great paying jobs and opportunities for our kids to stay home. I think every parent wants their kids to stay close by. I'm not one that wants to be an empty nester. If I could make a compound, have all my kids live around there and all my grandkids live around there, that'd be my wife and I's dream. So anyways, I think industry, Oklahoma is well, the reason why they're moving here is because they know Oklahoma can support their needs. Anything else? Alright guys, once again I want to give a shout out to Milton Trucking letting us disrupt their business and their bay. My son actually worked here a little bit during high school which I think is pretty cool. My son worked here and he helped clean out trucks and helped with the inventory a little bit. It was a great job for him to have in high school. This is one of his successes and I don't know if he worked in this bay because I never came to visit him but I'm just going to assume he did. But anyways guys, appreciate you. Thank you so much.