副總統萬斯和衛生部長肯尼迪出席MAHA峰會

這次活動的主持人是美國再次健康的副總統羅伯特·F·肯尼迪 歡迎副總統 我想感謝所有人參加這次活動 邀請瞭如此奇妙的群眾 今天這裡有如此不可預測的群眾 一件最棒的事情是 我們能夠邀請到像克里斯·克朗普、馬丁·麥卡利、傑伯特·查拉、穆默德·奧斯等人 許多人正在離開美元公司 正在尋求權力和安全 因為他們看到這是一種全球性的創新機會 在國際社會上 我們要做的最重要的一件事 就是與私人業界的合作 與創業者、創新者 一起創造更多的創新生命 您對此有何看法? 首先謝謝Bobby 也謝謝各位 這次活動不僅是一個活動 而是你們一起創造的 這是我們在華盛頓的成功之一 謝謝你們邀請我來 Bobby邀請我來 我當然很榮幸來到 很高興來到 但只有如果我們要做一個訪問 而不是一個講話 因為在一個講話中 你必須要想想 你會說什麼 在一個訪問中 我只需要回答你的問題 我不用想一想 去做一個訪問 這很棒 所以 我只要回答你的問題 如果我們回到MFN的東西 也就是最受歡迎的國家 藥品價格 這實際上已經發生了 因為總統和Bobby 和其他幾個團隊成員 正在努力 以低價格的藥品 為美國人民提供 這會很棒 如果我們能夠 做一些有意義的事情 因為你會想 民主黨他們 他們喜歡說 他們是為了 抗爭藥品公司 所以你會想 他們會想跟我們合作 是的 你不允許 把話題說出來 否則你會被毀滅 是的 現在我們正在工作 一個總統 他只是拿著一把槍 去Overton Windows 他每天都嚇我們 然後我們就說 好的 那是正確的 這是一個很好的總結 川普總統 他每天都拿著一把槍 去Overton Windows 每天 但是這必須發生 這必須發生 如果你看到 很多正在發生的事情 在公眾健康方面 我認為 Bobby總是會受到一些批評 我總覺得 這很糟糕 抱歉我的語言 我不確定我能否說出 我抱歉 所有在Fox News的觀眾 希望你們能夠相信 這句話 但是 總之 有時候 有些人會說 這個或那個總結 並不支持科學 這個或那個總結 是一個偽造的理論 而科學 在它最好的狀態下 是如果你不同意 你應該批評它 你應該抗議它 但你不能關閉討論 這實際上是 如果你看到 我們在這個國家 在過去20-30年 我並不介意 他們不同意 我所相信的 他們不同意 你所相信的 或任何人 他們只是嘗試 關閉那些 在奧巴頓的窗戶外 說的話的人 我們發現 在過去幾年 我們發現 那些在奧巴頓的窗戶外 通常是對的 而所有的專家 都是錯誤的 我前幾天 和馬丁·麥卡利 討論過 他提醒了我 在國王社會 建築物 國王社會的門檻 在倫敦 是世界上 最古老的科學社會 在世界上 最有名的 當然 它說 問所有的問題 是的 那就是 那就是科學 它認可 這個會議 是錯誤的 那是 Inside some of these industries, inside some of these bureaucracies, I've been reading a lot in the past couple of weeks about Von Neumann, the Hungarian scientist who came to the United States and was very important in the Manhattan Project. And what I keep on finding myself thinking, I mean, this is a brilliant guy. This is, you know, one of the, I think it was Edward Teller or Oppenheimer or another, the Manhattan Institute people said about Von Neumann that Von Neumann was talking to his three-year-old. And then he realized that he used the same skill Von Neumann did when talking to a three-year-old as he did with everybody else, because he was so far above everybody else in terms of brilliance. But then you read about this guy, and I think to myself, half of the shit that this guy said would have gotten him canceled or would have gotten his career ruined or would have had his life ruined. There is no way that this country is going to advance unless we're comfortable with people who are willing to challenge orthodoxy. And that's what I think got so broken, not just about the scientific bureaucracy, but probably it was worse in the scientific area than in most other places, is we've got to be comfortable challenging some of these old orthodoxies. And part of that is welcoming people who are a little unusual, because unless you do that, like you're not going to solve America's problems with McKinsey consultants who say everything the right way all the time. No offense, no offense to the McKinsey consultants, because many of whom are very brilliant people, but you need the consultant mindset. You also need the person who is just thinking about an idea because it's interesting and it's fascinating and it's not being focused on enough in the right way. You and I have talked a lot about Appalachia and most of us come from families that are intertwined personally and politically in Appalachia. You're kind of a golden child of Appalachia. You came out, you went to Ohio State, Yale Law School, a successful, uber-successful business, a best-selling author, a U.S. Senator, and now Vice President of the United States. But it's almost a kind of tragic reminder of the lost potential of almost everybody else in Appalachia, not only for poor health. It's got the worst health data of any region in the country, the highest cardiac disease, the highest obesity, the highest diabetes, the highest stroke rates, but also addiction, alcoholism and suicide. It leads the nation for those things. And so I know it's something that you've spent a lot of time thinking about. How do we, because if we can solve problems in Appalachia, we can solve them for the whole country. Yeah, that's exactly right. And the public health stuff in particular is very bad. And if you look at where life expectancy has gotten the worst in the United States, Appalachia is sort of at the top of the list. And the way that I realized this actually, so my dad died of cancer a few years ago. And it was one of these sort of super aggressive cancers came on very unexpectedly. And then,you know, all of a sudden he was gone a few months later. But I was talking with my wife, with Usha about this. And Usha,she was like, have you ever had like a really important male figure in your life survived to the age of 70? Like,so,and I look at it and it's like, OK,my grandfather died at 67 from a very preventable illness. But 67 from a very preventable, very treatable illness. I think all of my aunts or all of my uncles and not a single one of them that I could think of made it to 69. Maybe one of them made it to 70 or 71. And it kind of hit me that if you grow up in Appalachia, you are used to losing the people that you love very,very early on. And you want to talk about like populism. You want to talk about people being pissed off. Well,yeah,people are pissed off when they don't have good jobs. And people are pissed off when things disappear and move overseas. And people are pissed off when they feel like,you know, other countries are being prioritized over the United States of America. And all of that is part of the populist resentment of the past,you know, 20 or 30 years in American politics. You know what really pisses people off? When they realize that their loved ones are dying much sooner than everybody else. And that is a big part of the story of what's going on in Appalachia and why I think so many people in Appalachia feel left behind. I mean,my story,obviously,it's been, you know,like you said, I'm like the golden boy. The things have just worked out for me in this really incredible way. I feel so,so lucky and so grateful for it. But I also feel a certain sense of guilt because there are a lot of people who grew up in families like mine who haven't had an easy life and who haven't had all this economic opportunity and who haven't had,you know, a person that they've fallen in love with and they've been able to sort of build a stable,nice family like me and who should have been able to build. And that gives me a sense of purpose because I want those people to have the same opportunities that I've had. But it also gives me a great sense of anger because we never should have gotten to the point that we are today. And the reason that we have is because of failed leadership and it's failed leadership over generations. And by the way, these are,you talk about Appalachia, you were talking about people who,though they don't have much, would take the shirt off their back and give it to a complete stranger because that's what you do. If you go back to America's biggest wars, World War I,World War II,Vietnam, which are the counties that filled their draft quotas with volunteers instead of with draftees, it's very often the parts in deep Appalachia where you've got grinding poverty, but you've also got this incredible love of country. So if any place in this country deserves not to be left behind, it's Appalachia. But on the public health stuff in particular, the numbers don't look good. And it's one of the reasons why I'm such a big supporter of what you're doing because these are people who deserve to live better, healthier lives, but they really have been left behind by this country's leadership. Talk a little bit about how Maha has affected you personally. My grandchildren go to school with your children. And you know, Maha I think has got a lot of people thinking about how they raise their kids, how they feed them, et cetera, how they go shopping. And then maybe talk a little bit about the political impacts of Maha. Yes. There are so many different ways I could talk about this. I mean, one, I just met Bobby's family backstage or at least some of them. And I kept on shaking hands with various people and I'm like, well, you know, you're an Irish Catholic, so it makes sense that you've got, you know, a dozen or so people backstage. But I love that. I love big families. But, you know, so one, you know, my wife, she's probably one of the like original Maha people, though I don't think that she would have ever used that phrase because I remember like, you know, our oldest son is eight years old. And when he, you know, babies typically eat solid food around six months of age. And I remember when, you know, he started eating solid foods and I'm like, awesome. Let's give him like some cupcakes and ice cream. And my wife was like, no, let's give him carrots and applesauce here. You know, so she was already thinking about health and nutrition in a way that was frankly kind of foreign to me and that I think is very common among the Maha crowd. Like you guys are asking the right questions. What are we putting into our bodies? Where is it sourced from? Are, you know, if we're eating animal-based protein, is it coming from a place where the animals are treated the right way? If we're putting medications into our body, are we actually confident that they're doing the thing that they're supposed to do, that they're safe and effective? I just think this whole thing is about asking very critical questions about what we're putting into our bodies, into the bodies of our kids. And it's really affected me in a very profound way and how I think about my own nutrition, about particularly how I think about what my kids are taking And, you know, I'm like one of these crazy people. The one way in which I'm more instinctively Maha is that if I have like, you know, a back sprain or I slept, you know, weird and I woke up with back pain, I don't want to take ibuprofen. Like I don't like taking medications. I don't like taking anything unless I absolutely have to. And I think that's another Maha style attitude. It's not anti-medication. It's anti-useless medication. We should only be taking stuff. We should only be giving our kids stuff if it's actually necessary, safe and effective. And I think it's an attitude that's really beneficial to the entire country because we do have, you've talked about this as eloquently as anybody. We do really have an obesity epidemic in the United States of America. I think a big part of that is not asking where our food comes from. We really do have medications that I don't think, maybe they're not solving the chronic disease epidemic. Maybe hell, some of them are even causing the chronic disease epidemic. We've got to be asking more critical questions about what we're putting into the bodies of our kids. And I don't think we were doing that until this movement came along. You know, the job of the vice president is called the worst job in the country. And I think for some... I think we're out of time, ladies and gentlemen. I think for some vice presidents that that's been true. And I know that President Johnson during my uncle's tenure felt that he'd been sidelined. And I think Spiro Agnew and Gerald Ford felt the same way with Nixon. But then you had presidents like... Well, you had vice presidents like Dick Cheney who seemed to be actually running the country. And then you had these, you know, relationships with... Not very well, it turns out. We agree on that. But Al Gore and Bill Clinton and Mondale and Carter who had close personal friendships. You have an amazing job because you have a president who clearly puts tremendous faith in you. He relies on you. He's given you an extraordinary retinue of responsibilities. Talk a little bit about how your relationship with the president has evolved. Yeah, that's a great question. It's clear to all of us in the cabinet how much affection that he has for you and how much he relies on your wisdom. Well, it's interesting. You're exactly right that the president... The job of vice president is incredibly contingent on the president that you're serving under. And you could have a president who effectively just passes off big slots of responsibility. You could have a president who delegates. You could have a president who has no trust in their vice president, Kamala Harris. And so it doesn't go very well for that particular vice president. But I think there are two... So there are two ways that I try to think about my job with the president of the United States. Number one, he requires honest counsel. In other words, if I have an opinion on something, whether I agree or disagree with the administration position, it's really, really important that I talk to the president about it. He doesn't want yes-men. And I think that's one of the reasons why you guys have a great relationship is because you're always thinking about how can I actually give the president the best counsel. But then the second thing is when the president makes a decision, your job is to execute. It's not to run to the papers and say, well, actually, I disagreed with this decision or, you know, run to the Congress and badmouth the administration. It's to execute. And I think the reason why the president has trust in me is because, yes, I absolutely tell the president what I think about a given issue. But I also recognize I'm the vice president. He's the president. And when the president of the United States makes a decision, it's time to go and get it done. And I think in part because I get things done, right? I mean, sometimes Congress doesn't cooperate. Sometimes the private sector doesn't cooperate. Like I'm not saying any of us have a batting average of 100. But what I think all of us who've earned the president's trust do is that when the administration makes a decision, when he makes a decision, we actually go out and get it done. And that's why this job has been so empowering for me is because the president trusts me. He knows I'm going to give him honest counsel. He knows that if he asks me to go get something done, I'm going to try my best to actually go and do it. And that's why we have a good partnership. I think that's why the administration has been so effective this time around is because there are a lot of people with a very wide diversity of opinions, but we get out there and we try to do the best job for the American people and the president of the United States. And because of that, there's a lot of trust and there's a lot of affection in the cabinet. I mean, you've seen this. I've seen this. But when we're sitting in there and the cameras are off and we're just talking about an issue, there is a deep level of affection and trust between all the senior members of the team. I don't know how it's possible to do this job without it, but I know it's why we've been so successful the past 10 months. Now we've come to the lightning round. Great. Marine Corps Workout or Pete and Bobby Challenge. That's tough, man. So it's... I would say... So I would say Marine Corps Workout, especially for me, the one thing... So I can do, like, five dead hang pull-ups. You know, I have longer arms. I'm a little fatter than I should be. And, you know, especially, like, 10 years or so ago, I got a little out of shape. And so it's actually the Marine Corps, like, physical fitness test has been an incredible guidepost to me getting back in shape. And it's basically you run three miles, you do 100 crunches. And now instead of crunches, they do... It's this weird planking exercise that's a core exercise. And then there's pull-ups. But I felt like that's been a very good focus. The Pete and Bobby Challenge is for people who are in as good a shape as Pete and Bobby, which is not yet me, but that's my goal. My goal is to get there. Who is the funniest guy on the cabinet? Well, obviously, the President of the United States. Beside him. So beside him... I mean, look, we all have different views on this. My personal vote for funniest person outside the President is probably Marco. He has an incredible sense of humor. He's got great meeting timing. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, there are a couple others. Look, very good sense of humor on the cabinet. There's a lot of funny people. I think Marco is the funniest outside the President. He says something that makes everybody laugh. Correct. He's fine sitting in the cabinet. That's right. Well, I mean, I don't know if you saw this video circulating on social media. But, you know, the President met some... met the President of Syria, Al Shara, in the Oval Office a couple of days ago. And, you know, he asked him, he's like, well, how many wives do you have? And it's just like, oh, what an amazing question. Amazing meeting timing. There are layers to it. There's like a metahumor to it. It's just...anyway. But we've got a lot of good... a lot of good humor in the cabinet. One of the funniest moments in any cabinet meeting, President Trump had them bring in a full-size picture of himself with Putin. And when they were in Hawaii, and he's very tall, and Putin was very short. Putin came up to about here, and he said, you know what I said to him? He said, I've had enough to hear with you. OK. I remember that. There are eight... there are eight presidents from Ohio. How many can you name? This is unfair. That is a totally unfair question. I regret coming to this event based on that question. OK. None of them. Well, with one exception. OK. So obviously U.S. Grant. I have a particular affinity for him. Both of us have beards. Rutherford B. Hayes. Good. Was Cleveland Ohio or was it somebody else? I don't think Cleveland was. OK. The problem is a lot of the Ohio ones are frankly the range of presidents where nobody can name them. Yeah. So it's like most people can... Yeah. Most people can go up to Jackson. And then they know there's sort of Lincoln and Grant. And there's like, you know, a black hole of presidents. Those are the Ohio presidents. Please don't judge my home state because it was just... it was a different time in the country. So the answer is apparently two. Did you read Chernoff's biography of Grant? I did. Incredible. One of my best friends actually gave it to me four or five years ago. Incredible book. It is. And he was an incredible guy. Where did you fall in love with Grant? Absolutely. And people, you know, he was attacked after he died by a lot of his political opponents. A lot of what I learned in grade school and high school history about Ulysses S. Grant is actually fake. He was a great general. He was also a great president. Thank you very much, Mr. Vice President. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Bobby. 請不吝點贊 訂閱 轉發 打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目